>>40219>I’m here to troll. Clearly, but okay.
>We’re in some ways closer than not but I find much of your position to be intentionally unexamined and pretending to be enlightened while couched in tribalistic brutality.I admit I'm painting with a very broad brush to keep these comments from being longer than they are. And speaking of trolling, yes, I'm using the brutal, confrontational style of chans to get my points across in a direct and hopefully readable, entertaining way. I don't pretend to be enlightened. I'm no more brutal than my enemies — less in fact.
>Idk whose dumb enough to argue the country with a two tiered legal system, whose official language is a religions and whose leadership talks about “preserving the Jewish character” isn’t a theocracy.*who's But anyway that would be me,
Again — the justice system is two-tiered based on citizenship, and that the West Bank is occupied territory in an ongoing conflict, not religion per se. It just shakes out that Palestinians are mostly Muslim (though there are a lot of Christians and other religions as well) while Israel is 74% Jewish. (I was wrong about 70% in my earlier comment.)
It's no different (or better, or worse) than how the US treats prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, or border detainees, or any number of Western liberal democracies treat people under occupation (check out Australia's island penal colonies for illegal immigrants). ...Which I agree is wrong, but the legal gymnastics is about different sides in a conflict that happen to involve the Christian/Jewish West and the Muslim East. There's nothing in the Israeli constitution that gives Jews an edge in the justice system. And thus — not a theocracy.
Modern Hebrew as spoken in Israel is not the Biblical language. It was invented alongside the country itself, in the late 1940s. It's like saying Spain, Italy, and France are theocracies because their languages are rooted in Ecclesiastical Latin. Give me a fucking break.
"Preserving the Jewish character" is not theocracy, because again, Israel is actually a secular country. And guess what — Holland just elected a nativist, as did Italy, as we did with Trump, as will more countries as this decade wears on and people are protective of their culture and character. Israel is guilty of nationalism but they're in good/bad company throughout the West, and it's a pale (no pun intended) version of what exists in most Muslim countries.
>The settlers aren’t the Achilles heel of Israel, they’re more representative of Israel than Israel’s impotent left. Just like the Republican Party that controls Congress the US is 100% pro-life while the country is 70% pro-choice, the settlers are representative of the dominant right wing Israeli political parties, not the population as a whole.
And Israel's Left was gelded by the failure of Camp David 2000 and subsequent 3rd Intifada, wherein the remnants of the PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah, and other militant Palestinian groups proved they weren't interested in a 2-state solution, or the continued existence of Jews in the Levant or anywhere near it. They in turn legitimized the rhetoric of far-Right in the Knesset and the ultra-Right Settlers, that Palestinians were fundamentally violent fuckheads undeserving of mercy or even humanity.
The result however was that they fucked themselves way worse than they did Israel. Par for the course.
>I think the world should look poorly on a country that flagrantly violates international law and allows their population to hate crimes for profit but hey, I’m a Christian, we have ethics.[Pause while I clean up the coffee I spit all over my keyboard] Christian ethics like Oral Roberts and Joel Osteen, or the Vatican-administered worldwide pedophile ring, or the Mainline Protestant/Baptist sanctifying of slavery, and on and on and on. Nigga, please.
Anyway the US regularly violates international law and allows their population to engage in hate crimes for profit. As do... a lot of other countries — China, Russia, France, the UK, Australia. Why single out Israel? Oh right... sorry, forgot the answer is always (always) "Jews."
>And yes…look at Wall Street, the subprime mortgage industry, look at Hollywood/Recording industry black exploitation more industries the Jewish diapora used as an avenue to exploit Americas own apartheid population. As I said, Jews are overrepresented on Wall Street and in the entertainent industry. But to flip that around and say "Jews are explotive" because they dominate in exploitive industries is just bad logic. Sorry. Take a look at the boards of Bank of America and other major lenders in the middle of the Aughts and you'll see a lot of Jewish surnames, but also WASP, Irish, and other gentile ones. Just saying.
If you're talking segregation, I can't believe you're seriously going to single out the the explotive heads of, say, Chess Records, who were willing to record and represent Black artists, at a time when half of the country was under literal apartheid — THAT WAS CREATED AND ADMINISTERED BY CHRISTIANS. And the rest of the country was heavily de facto segregated, to where Gentile-owned radio stations and record companies would not play or record Black artists. That's the Jews' fault, right?
Homework: Go back to that James Baldwin essay. The moron who posted it didn't realize how well he was making an argument -against- anti-semitism, but there's a shitload of wisdom in there regarding your arguments.
>Civil rights, genocide, exploitation… Ever been to Pittsburgh? (Gentile) Andrew Carnegie was a philanthropist without peer, while the factories that made his zillion dollar fortune were medieval exploitive nightmares. JP Morgan, Rockefeller, etc — all kinds of rich gentiles — similarly exploited millions of Americans and upheld a real and de facto system of actual apartheid and disenfranchisement.
Again... logic: That wealthy, powerful people exploit, and a lot of Jews happen to be wealthy and powerful does not mean "Jews" somehow have a predilection towards exploitation. That's just prejudice, aka bigotry, aka fear-based stupidity.
Tell me where Jews commited "genocide." Because there were 900k Palestinians in Israel in 1947 and 7 million now. And FWIW, "Palestinian" as an identity didn't exist in 1947. So if Israel is committing genocide there, they're really, really fucking bad at it.
>The supposed charity towards black people is just your own white savior complex showing.There was no doubt performative generosity and posturing, or wealthy Jews trying to buy some points with the BIg Guy, but at the level we helped the Civil Rights movement? No way. You don't get into a car as an identifiably Jewish dude with a Jewish surname and drive to Mississippi to march along Black people in 1960 as virtue signaling.
Jewish involvement in Civil Rights is just a fact. Not to mention the US Labor Movement, and other human rights causes — including Palestinian rights, both here and in Israel. We're just as overrepresented in that sphere as in business or entertainment. Also a fact.
>Jewish people’s morality is based on what’s good business right now. They will offer you predatory loans or kill your family and steal their land depending upon what makes them a dollar.LOL there we go, get it all out. Same as it ever was, and why Israel knows it has no choice but to eradicate anti-Semitism no matter who's in the way. This kind of firehose bigotry actually empowers the Israeli Right and hurts Palestinians. But we all know you don't give a ripe, Christian fuck about them.