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GLP1-based drugs like Wegovy cause an average 15% weight loss. Supplies are tight at the moment but production is ramping up quick. Mounjaro, coming soon, promises an average 20% loss. Lilly is testing a new drug that promises 25%. That will bring a 300lb person down to 225. One imagines they're also working on drugs that attain a 30% loss, and so on.

These drugs are new, and this isn't the first time in modern history where mass populations were used as guinea pigs only to have it blow up spectacularly (npi). But the side effects are gonna have to be very serious and come on quick because a lot of fat people — especially women — would gladly trade a decade of their life and/or endure other major health compromises in order to be significantly thinner.

Barring a mass die-off from GLP1 meds, indulging one's fat fetishism/admiration is gonna all but cease to be an IRL thing from the mid 2020s-on. I guess AI came along just in time...
>>33846 (OP)
(from NY Times)

We Know Where New Weight Loss Drugs Came From, but Not Why They Work

The empty auditoriums, Gila monsters, resistant pharmaceutical executives and enigmas that led to Ozempic and other drugs that may change how society thinks about obesity.

Aug. 17, 2023
Updated 9:38 a.m. ET

Every so often a drug comes along that has the potential to change the world. Medical specialists say the latest to offer that possibility are the new drugs that treat obesity — Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro and more that may soon be coming onto the market.

It’s early, but nothing like these drugs has existed before.

“Game changers,” said Jonathan Engel, a historian of medicine and health care policy at Baruch College in New York.

Obesity affects nearly 42 percent of American adults, and yet, Dr. Engel said, “we have been powerless.” Research into potential medical treatments for the condition led to failures. Drug companies lost interest, with many executives thinking — like most doctors and members of the public — that obesity was a moral failing and not a chronic disease.

While other drugs discovered in recent decades for diseases like cancer, heart disease and Alzheimer’s were found through a logical process that led to clear targets for drug designers, the path that led to the obesity drugs was not like that. In fact, much about the drugs remains shrouded in mystery. Researchers discovered by accident that exposing the brain to a natural hormone at levels never seen in nature elicited weight loss. They really don’t know why.

“Everyone would like to say there must be some logical explanation or order in this that would allow predictions about what will work,” said Dr. David D’Alessio, chief of endocrinology at Duke, who consults for Eli Lilly among others. “So far there is not.”

Although the drugs seem safe, obesity medicine specialists call for caution because — like drugs for high cholesterol levels or high blood pressure — the obesity drugs must be taken indefinitely or patients will regain the weight they lost.

Dr. Susan Yanovski, a co-director of the office of obesity research at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases, warned that patients would have to be monitored for rare but serious side effects, especially as scientists still don’t know why the drugs work.

But, she added, obesity itself is associated with a long list of grave medical problems, including diabetes, liver disease, heart disease, cancers, sleep apnea and joint pain.

“You have to keep in mind the serious diseases and increased mortality that people with obesity suffer from,” she said.

The drugs can cause transient nausea and diarrhea in some. But their main effect is what matters. Patients say they lose constant cravings for food. They find themselves satisfied with much smaller portions. They lose weight because they naturally eat less — not because they burn more calories.

And results from a clinical trial reported last week indicate that Wegovy can do more than help people lose weight — it also can protect against cardiac complications, like heart attacks and strokes.

But why that happens remains poorly understood.

“Companies don’t like the term trial and error,” said Dr. Daniel Drucker, who studies diabetes and obesity at the Lunenfeld-Tanenbaum Research Institute in Toronto and who consults for Novo Nordisk and other companies. “They like to say, ‘We were extremely clever in the way we designed the molecule,” Dr. Drucker said.

But, he said, “They did get lucky.”

A Lonely Origin Story

In the 1970s, obesity treatments were the last thing on Dr. Joel Habener’s mind. He was an academic endocrinologist starting his own lab at Harvard Medical School and looking for a challenging, but doable, research project.

He chose diabetes. The disease is caused by high blood sugar levels and is typically treated with injections of insulin, a hormone secreted by the pancreas that helps cells store sugar. But an insulin injection makes blood sugar plummet, even if levels are already low. Patients have to carefully plan injections because very low blood sugar levels can result in confusion, shakiness and even a loss of consciousness.

Two other hormones also play a role in regulating blood sugar — somatostatin and glucagon — and little was known then about how they are produced. Dr. Habener decided to study the genes that direct cells to make glucagon.

That led him to a real surprise. In the early 1980s, he discovered a hormone, GLP-1, that exquisitely regulates blood sugar. It acts only on insulin-producing cells of the pancreas, and only when blood sugar rises too high.

It was perfect, in theory, as a targeted treatment to replace sledgehammer-like insulin injections.

Another researcher, Dr. Jens Juul Holst at the University of Copenhagen, independently stumbled on the same discovery.

But there was a problem: When GLP-1 was injected, it vanished before reaching the pancreas. It needed to last longer.

Dr. Drucker, who led the GLP-1 discovery efforts on Dr. Habener’s team, labored for years on the challenge. It was, he said, “a pretty lonely field.”

When he applied to the Endocrine Society to give talks, he found himself scheduled at the very end of the last day of the annual meetings.

“Everyone had left for the airport — people were taking down the exhibits,” he said.

From the late 1980s to the early 1990s, he spoke to nearly empty auditoriums.

Dr. Eng’s Monster


Success came from a chance discovery that was not appreciated at the time.

In 1990, John Eng, a researcher at the Veterans Affairs medical center in the Bronx, was looking for interesting new hormones in nature that might be useful for medications in people.

He was drawn to the venomous Gila monster when he learned that it somehow kept its blood sugar levels stable when it did not have much to eat, according to a report from the National Institutes of Health, which funded his work. So Dr. Eng decided to search for chemicals in the lizards’ saliva. He found a variant of GLP-1 that lasted longer.

Dr. Eng told The New York Times in 2002 that the V.A. had declined to patent the hormone. So Dr. Eng patented it himself and licensed it to Amylin Pharmaceuticals, which began testing it as a diabetes drug. The drug, exenatide or Byetta, went on sale in the United States in 2005.

But Byetta had to be injected twice a day, a real disincentive to its use. Drug company chemists sought even longer-lasting versions of GLP-1.

At Novo Nordisk, chemists began by using a well-known trick. They loosely attached GLP-1 to a blood protein that kept it stable enough to remain in circulation for at least 24 hours. But when GLP-1 slips off the protein, enzymes in the blood quickly degrade it. So chemists had to alter the hormone’s building blocks — a chain of amino acids — to find a more durable variant.

After tedious trial and error, Novo Nordisk produced liraglutide, a GLP-1 drug that lasted long enough for daily injections. They named it Victoza, and the F.D.A. approved it as a treatment for diabetes in 2010.

It had an unexpected side effect: slight weight loss.

A Dismal History

Obesity had become a dead end in the pharmaceutical industry. No drug that was tried worked very well, and every one that led to even modest weight loss had serious side effects.

For a flickering moment in the late 1990s, there was hope when Dr. Jeffrey Friedman at Rockefeller University in New York found a hormone that told the brain how much fat was on the body. Lab mice genetically modified to have none of the hormone ate voraciously and grew enormously fat. Researchers could fine-tune an animal’s weight by altering how much of the hormone it got.

Dr. Friedman named the hormone leptin. Amgen bought the rights to leptin and, in 1996, began testing it in people. They did not lose weight.

Dr. Matthias Tschöp at Helmholtz Munich in Germany tells of the frustration. He left academia three decades ago to work at Eli Lilly in Indianapolis, excited by leptin and determined to use science to find a drug for weight loss.

“I was so inspired,” Dr. Tschöp said.

When leptin failed, he tried a different gut hormone, ghrelin, whose effects were the opposite of leptin’s. The more ghrelin an animal had, the more it would eat. Perhaps a drug that blocked ghrelin would make people lose weight.

“Again, it wasn’t that simple,” said Dr. Tschöp, who left Lilly in 2002.

The body has so many redundant circuits of interacting nerve impulses and hormones to control weight that tweaking one simply did not make a difference.

And there was another obstacle, noted Dr. Tschöp’s former colleague at Lilly, Dr. Richard Di Marchi, who also was an executive at Novo Nordisk.

“There was very little interest in the industry in doing this,” said Dr. Di Marchi, now at Indiana University. “Obesity was not thought to be a disease. It was looked at as a behavioral problem.”
>>33847

(Part 2)

Starving Rats

Novo Nordisk, which today has 45.7 percent of the global insulin market, thought of itself as a diabetes company. Period.

But one company scientist, Lotte Bjerre Knudsen, could not stop thinking about tantalizing results from studies with liraglutide, the GLP-1 drug that lasted long enough to be injected just once a day.

In the early 1990s, Novo researchers, studying rats implanted with tumors of pancreas cells that produced copious amounts of glucagon and GLP-1, noticed that the animals had nearly stopped eating.

“These rats, they starved themselves,” Dr. Knudsen said in a video series released by the Novo Nordisk Foundation. “So we kind of knew there was something in some of these peptides that was really important for appetite regulation.”

Other studies by academic researchers found that rats lost their appetites if GLP-1 was injected into their brains. Human subjects who got an intravenous drip of GLP-1 ate 12 percent less at a lunch buffet than those who got a placebo.

So why not study liraglutide as both a diabetes drug and an obesity drug, Dr. Knudsen asked.

She faced resistance in part because some company executives were convinced that obesity resulted from a lack of willpower. One of the champions of investigating GLP-1 for weight loss, Mads Krogsgaard Thomsen, the current chief executive of the Novo Nordisk Foundation and former chief scientific officer of the company, said in the video posted by the foundation that he “had to spend half a year convincing my C.E.O. that obesity is not just a lifestyle condition.”

Dr. Knudsen also noted that the company’s business division had struggled with the idea of promoting liraglutide for two distinct purposes.

“It’s either diabetes, or it’s a weight loss,” she recalled in the foundation video series.

Finally, after liraglutide was approved in 2010 for diabetes, Dr. Knudsen’s proposal to study the drug for weight loss moved forward. After clinical trials, the F.D.A. approved it as Saxenda for obesity in 2014. The dose was about twice the diabetes dose. Patients lost about 5 percent of their weight, a modest amount.

But Dr. Martin Holst Lange, executive vice president of development at Novo Nordisk, said in a telephone interview that it was at least as good as other weight-loss drugs, and without side effects like heart attacks, strokes and death.

“We were super excited,” he said.

Beyond Diabetes

Despite the progress on weight loss, Novo Nordisk continued to focus on diabetes, trying to find ways to make a longer-lasting GLP-1 so patients would not have to inject themselves every day.

The result was a different GLP-1 drug, semaglutide, that lasted long enough that patients had to inject themselves only once a week. It was approved in 2017 and is now marketed as Ozempic.

It also caused weight loss — 15 percent, which is three times the loss with Saxenda, the once-a-day drug, although there was no obvious reason for that. Suddenly, the company had what looked like a revolutionary treatment for obesity.

But Novo Nordisk could not market Ozempic for weight loss without F.D.A. approval for that specific use.

In 2018, a year after Ozempic’s approval for diabetes, the company started a clinical trial. In 2021, Novo Nordisk got approval from the F.D.A. to market the same drug for obesity with a weekly injection at a higher maximum dose. It named the drug Wegovy.

But even before Wegovy was approved, people had begun taking Ozempic for obesity. Novo Nordisk, in its Ozempic commercials, mentioned that many taking it lost weight.

Hinting turned out to be more than enough. Soon, said Dr. Jeffrey Mechanick, an endocrinologist at Mount Sinai’s Icahn School of Medicine, patients latched onto Ozempic. Doctors prescribed it off label for those who did not have diabetes.

“There was a little bit of gaming going on,” Dr. Mechanick said, with some doctors coding patients as having pre-diabetes to help them get insurance coverage.

By 2021, fed by social media, a general frenzy for weight loss and aggressive marketing by Novo Nordisk, the news that Ozempic made people lose weight had reached a tipping point, said Dr. Caroline Apovian, a co-director of the Center for Weight Management and Wellness at Brigham and Women’s Hospital and a consultant for Novo Nordisk and other companies. Ozempic was on everyone’s lips, even though Wegovy was the drug approved that year for obesity.

But Wegovy caught up.

In July, doctors in the U.S. wrote about 94,000 prescriptions a week for Wegovy compared with about 62,000 a week for Ozempic. Wegovy is in such demand, though, that the company is unable to make enough, its spokeswoman Ambre James-Brown said. So for now, while it ramps up production, the company sells the drug only in Norway, Denmark, Germany and the United States. And at pharmacies in those countries, shortages are frequent.

And Dr. Apovian, like many other obesity medicine specialists, is now booked with patients a year in advance.

More Medicines, More Mysteries

The reason Ozempic and Wegovy are so much more effective than Saxenda remains a mystery. Why should a once-a-week injection produce much more weight loss than a once-a-day injection?

The drugs, said Randy Seeley, an obesity researcher at the University of Michigan, are not correcting for a lack of GLP-1 in the body — people with obesity make plenty of GLP-1. Instead, the drugs are exposing the brain to hormone levels never seen in nature. Patients taking Wegovy are getting five times the amount of GLP-1 that they would produce in response to a Thanksgiving dinner, Dr. Seeley said.

And, he added, in the brain, “the drugs go to unusual places.” They are not just going to areas thought to involve control overeating.

“If you were designing a drug, you would say that’s a bad idea,” said Dr. Seeley, who has consulted for Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly, among others. Drug designers try for precision — a drug should go only to the cells where it is needed.

GLP-1, because of its chemical structure, should not even get into some areas of the brain where it slips in.

“Nobody understands that,” Dr. Seeley said.

Wegovy, though, is just the start.

Lilly’s diabetes drug, tirzepatide or Mounjaro, is expected to get F.D.A. approval for obesity this year. It hooks GLP-1 to another gut hormone, GIP.

GIP, on its own, produces, at best, a modest weight loss. But the two-hormone combination can allow people to lose a median of about 20 percent of their weight.

“No one fully understands why,” Dr. Drucker said.

Lilly has another drug, retatrutide, that, while still in early stages of testing, seems to elicit a median 24 percent weight loss.

Amgen’s experimental drug, AMG 133, could be even better, but is even more of a puzzle. It hooks GLP-1 to a molecule that blocks GIP.

There is no logical explanation for why seemingly opposite approaches would work.

Researchers continue to marvel at these biochemical mysteries. But doctors and patients have their own takeaway: The drugs work. People lose weight. The constant chatter in their brains about food and eating is gone.

And, while the stigma of obesity and the cultural stereotype that obese people aren’t trying hard enough to lose weight endures, some experts are optimistic. Now, they say, patients no longer have to blame themselves or feel like failures when they can’t lose weight.

“The era of ‘just go out and diet and exercise’ is now gone,’” said Dr. Rudolph Leibel, a professor of diabetes research at Columbia University Irving Medical Center. “Now clinicians have tools to address obesity.”
>>33846 (OP)
People can’t even get the medicine they need to survive. Even if this stuff is real this will not be mass marketed and nobody will be able to afford it enough for it to have a sustained effect. Please stop being a schizophrenic and grow up.
>>33846 (OP)
Its gonna be for the rich people first probably several more decades at least before its available. Soon being fat will be a sign of being poor. I dont anticipate the average american diet is going to get healthier, so it will be who can afford the skinny drugs.

But hell I wouldnt want to be among the first round of people to take it. Wait and see what the long term effects are, just like people did with lasik.
Good. Fat people in reality are disgusting
>>33865
>Soon being fat will be a sign of being poor.

News flash: it already is.

I think these will probably backfire (not that hope). Almost every time there is a miracle drug, there will be some sort of setback. People should just go Keto and stop eating carbs and seedoils, if they wanna be healthy.
>>33869
Literally this. This is like the seventh doomer thread we've had about this stuff at least.

Guess what happens when you take these miracle drugs that sound too good to be true and mess with your basic metabolism?

Horrific side effects like CANCER, already observed with Ozempic. People are gonna start dropping dead.

Give me a break. This topic should honestly be considered trolling by the mods now.
>>33866

Exactly. People fantazing about having 500lb girlfriends haven't smelled a fat person before, or are so filthy themselves that their nose is too blocked up to smell their own funk.
>>33875
I've met far more stinky skinny people than fatties, actually. Given I'm middle class and haven't been much around white trash or nignogs alike.
>>33875
Oh def. Can you imagine what it smells like after your 455 pound girlfreind has been shifting in your shower and stomping them down the drain. I’ve been there, it changes things a bit.
People are already having severe side effects as a result and most people gain the weight back once they’re taken off ozempic or wegovy. They have a laundry list of side effects including gastropareisis which is genuinely crippling. All of a sudden they’ve been pushed really hard by the medical industry despite results being spotty… pretty fucking weird and fishy if you ask me
>>33864
>>33864
People can’t get the medicine they need to survive and viagra/cialis have made impotence rare as polio. Drugs get cheaper as they get more popular and then go generic, at which point virtually all insurance covers them. My prediction may be wrong for a number of reasons, but you’re a fucking moron.
>>33870
I’m a doomer, not a troll. You might think this is bullshit, but I have a vested interest in this as someone who enjoys looking at and sleeping with fat women.

As for relevance, there’s been plenty of news about this since the last thread, including newer, more effective GLC1 drugs and significantly ramped up production.

I did leave the door open for horrific side effects, basically half my post, because I’m thinking there will be. But not so far, and in the meantime broad swaths of the population are begging for this stuff. First they’ll become a standard part of corporate managed care then govt bean counters will figure out they cost less than treating 100m people for obesity-related illnesses, or WLS with its complications and sketchy long term effectiveness. They’ll then be covered by Medicaid, Medicare, and Obamacare-administered cheapie insurance plans. Same for European and other first world health ministries.

Remember how Chat GPT was a curiosity in the tech section of google news in October 2022 and a major, civilization-altering phenomenon by March 2023? This shit sneaks up on you.
>>33881
10/10 virgins agree.
Plus as I keep saying, not everyone will want new weight loss drugs. After all, there are still women who are proud of their fat. Just because it's available, doesn't mean everyone will use it. We will still have women who are proud of their bellies and thighs and bingo arms.
>>33880
In the scenario you described, by the time it trinkles down to mainstream coverage, we'll be seeing people report horror stories about these drugs that'll scare people off of them. I've already seen this discussed on Twitter, which is the de facto cultural engine-crucible in its 4chan adjacent sphere of autistic guys ahead of the curve.

In other words, you don't have to be a zealot, but do you really think in any universe with a God, He would allow this apparent silver bullet appear so easily? With other major inventions like electricity or cars, there's a litany of problems that came and come with it. So shall it be the case with weight loss drugs. I don't WANT people to suffer but these pills reek VERY strongly of past fads and quackery.

By the way, that reminds me: Study the research of Dr. Ray Peat, who was very big about how important thryoid is to live and most people are hypothyroidic and suffer a ton of problems from that. He's very high on that aforementioned twitter schizo-autist sphere of admired figures. What do you think happens when you take pills that are like a jack-knife to your metabolism? My goodness. Even if I were
a fat normie I wouldn't take ozempic if you paid me. You'll wake up a decade from now with goiter and shitting blood.

>Remember how Chat GPT was a curiosity in the tech section of google news in October 2022 and a major, civilization-altering phenomenon by March 2023? This shit sneaks up on you.

I don't know anyone who uses ChatGPT as anything other than a trinket. At absolute best it's used by lazy grifters and scammers writing emails, OR programmers to help optimize code sometimes. "AI" is a glorified Mechanical Turk with extra steps.
>>33881
Then aren't you admitting it's a total time-waster if you're afraid to apply it even a little bit to a potential wife?

At least a virtuous skinny waifu does this parasocial inspiration for Anon to improooov himself. At least fat waifus can help you seek a proper plumper IRL. Go one way or the other. Life is short.
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>>33887
History shows again and again how Nature won't accept the folly of Man
>Although the drugs seem safe, obesity medicine specialists call for caution because —
>like drugs for high cholesterol levels or high blood pressure
>the obesity drugs must be taken indefinitely or patients will regain the weight they lost.

>Obesity affects nearly 42 percent of American adults

This is the part that stands out for me. Combined with the fact that there are millions and millions of obese people and significant supply issues at the moment, surely to completely eliminate obesity (which seems to be the worst case scenario and concern here), everybody would have to take it forever. I just don't see that happening.

I can't speak for the US but from what I've heard in the UK, it looks like it'll only be proscribed by a doctor if you qualify (BMI > 35 + have a weight-related health condition) for up to a maximum of two years.

I expect people will take it, lose some weight and gain a significant amount, if not all of it back. I wouldn't freak out just yet. The media loves to print all kinds of shit if it'll get clicks, and weight loss is an easy topic for getting clicks. And from personal experience, I've met several girls who were on the plus-size (~250-300lbs) who absolutely loved eating and visiting restaurants, etc. The culture of loving junk food will never disappear, so again, I'm not super worried. I do understand the concerns though.
>>33883
> After all, there are still women who are proud of their fat.

Very, very few. Many learn to cope with it because losing weight has been incredibly difficult without drastic (surgical) measures and they basically have no choice. But I predeict the invention of a "magic pill" will mean even the most outspoken SA advocates will go for it.

>>33887
>Do you really think in any universe with a God, He would allow this apparent silver bullet appear so easily?

I won't argue His existence with you, but in 50+ years of watching the righteous get fucked and unrepentant evil be rewarded I have no reason to believe there's a moral force in control of anything.

>I don't know anyone who uses ChatGPT as anything other than a trinket.

It's early days, it's only been on line for 10 months. Yet just in my own small sphere, a client of mine is already using it to write ad copy and social media posts. I also remember the early 80s when personal computers were expensive toys and the mid 90s when the internet was a novelty for nerds.

>>33889
>History shows again and again how Nature won't accept the folly of Man

Yes and no. It's a nice narrative, but there's more of us than ever and most of us are living longer and in better circumstances despite having abused and conquered nature in the most brutal of ways. Keep in mind how many conditions have been cured by modern medical science with little or no downside. For instance most STDs are now easily curable/treatable, even AIDS. And just as obesity is caused by overeating, STDs are mostly due to moral failings — sloppy sexual habits and promiscuity. According to >>33887 God or Santa Claus or whomever should have stepped in by now to ensure STD sufferers were more severely punished.

That said, big pharma paved the way for Silicon Valley's mantra that "it's easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission." All new drugs are a gamble, and there's so much money to be made curing obesity that paying off folks who suffer side effects is baked into the business plan. What's a few billion dollars in penalties when you've banked a trillion?

>>33892
>from what I've heard in the UK, it looks like it'll only be proscribed by a doctor if you qualify (BMI > 35 + have a weight-related health condition) for up to a maximum of two years.

I shouldn't have thrown you guys in with us here in the US. Like most of the developed world, the UK doesn't have a for-profit healthcare system. We do, which as part of a free market means folks here will get it if they want it and doctors are more than willing to give it to them.

And it's not that people stop loving fattening foods on GLP1 drugs, it's that they're not compelled to eat massive amounts of it as part of an addiction, which is what causes obesity.
>>33869
>muh keto muh cArBs
kys americanized faggot
>>33877
you "people" shit in the shower?
>>33892
this
Like every other obesity cure, popularity will spike, the sides become obvious and the world moves on. Fatter than ever.

Already we know these drugs cause muscular wasting. When someone stops taking them, there's a total rebound of the impulse to eat.

The ramp up leaves some unsustainably nauseous. And now there's rumors of stomach paralysis.

The current cost and shortage is a good thing. Not because it keeps people fat but because it diminishes the subsequent public health crisis.

Ephedra. Phen Fen. Amphetamines. This shit always ends in the same way. Unless the underlying psychological causes are addressed, a person isn't permanently losing weight.

Even the WLS victims gain it back over the next decade, if they don't die from the sides first.
>>33906
It would be nice if ketotards died off. The world might go silent considering how obnoxiously loud they are though.
lol they already came out with a miracle weight loss drug that worked amazing and then it turned out to be meth.

Side effects aside, the reality of obesity is that a lot of people just don't really care. A lot of people are fat because they don't care to make themselves skinny. Like, how many people reading this have put on weight in their 30s and just went with it? Ozempic costs a good amount of money. That introduces even the smallest barrier, which the vast majority of people will not get beyond. I don't think it'll really make a big difference.
>>33880
>Remember how Chat GPT was a curiosity in the tech section of google news in October 2022 and a major, civilization-altering phenomenon by March 2023?
and now it's back to a curiosity, lol
There's already a prominent influencer who is taking weight loss pills (don't know which pill), GlitterAndLazers.

https://instagram.com/p/CvFGcDgut0N/

She confirmed to have lost 60lbs in 5 month, another month has passed since plus she works out as well, so the total should be around 70lbs now.

This shit sucks, she really carried the weight well. I can't see this weight loss attempt failing like the last one without an unforseen circumstance.
These drugs don't just remove fat. They put the body in starvation mode, and remove muscle as well. Once people go off these drugs the weight will come back faster.
yeah like others have said here not only are people discovering the shitty side effects like stomach paralysis but you’re guaranteed to get the weight back after you stop taking it. Just another fad. Non issue.
>>33983

The famous fat chicks always deflate eventually. It's the last ditch effort to retain an audience, as youth fades.

The harsh reality is sides from obesity hit hard around the mid thirties. Not - I'm out of breath climbing stairs. But arthritis is setting in, onset of diabetes, etc. These start to manifest in the appearance, and chicks with money buy interventions.

This is no cause for alarm. The interventions are usually unsustainable. There are some rare permanent losses (rebel Wilson, Adele). But they make the news precisely because it's so rare.
>>33880
>I’m a doomer, not a troll
You're an idiot, that's what you are.

>Remember how Chat GPT was a curiosity in the tech section of google news in October 2022 and a major, civilization-altering phenomenon by March 2023?
You mean the shameless grift that's already been proven to be wholly unsustainable? The one on the verge of bankrupcy, on top of mountains of lawsuits?
https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/openai-may-go-bankrupt-by-2024-chatgpt-costs-company-700000-dollars-every-day-12986012.html
>>34202
>You're an idiot, that's what you are.

95% of this site is irrelevant to me so I scroll on by. Realize you have that option. So you're either an irrationally angry douche who gets into fist fights in parking lots and yells at his houseplants, or my opinions are worth a discussion. Figure out which.

>You mean the shameless grift that's already been proven to be wholly unsustainable?

Irrelevant. The early WWW was lousy with unsustainable grifts and was written off as a novelty by people like you. Yet look where we are now.

Though you're right that I should have said AI in general rather than ChatGPT specifically. Just that they were the first and biggest of the publicly available sites so they got the most media attention. Either way the ChatGPT hype will die off and still AI will own every aspect of our lives in a similar way within a generation.
>>34228
My houseplants yell at me, why can't I yell back?
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Pharmabro autist here. You may remember me from the other threads we've had on this topic.
I have good news for UK anons. A little bird told me that Novonordisk will be discontinuing Saxenda in the UK in 2024.
The catch is that they're (probably) only pulling it because Wegovy (which is the same drug as Ozempic but stronger & officially licenced for weight loss) will be coming out in the UK next year and they don't think Saxenda will be able to compete with it.
On the other hand, you can rest assured that there will be horrendous supply issues with Wegovy for like 2 years easily.
Eli Lilly are also supposedly working on something similar but no concrete news there yet. They have promised their shareholders that they won't have the same supply issues as everyone else, but I'll believe that when I see it lol
>>34355
Imagine an FA that gets into pharma but doesn't hook anyone up with some NPY agonists
>>34228
ChatGLP and other ozempick clones out there are gonna save the feeder community. Now there’s really no excuse for being fat, just download a biologic and start losing weight.

It’s like a vaccine for being fat all encoded in 1s and 0s.

Large language modelucles like GLP are the future of technology for the health and learning.
>>34382
I always skim posts with lots of buzzwords to see If it's a Kisame post before deciding to take them seriously but sometimes i'm not sure if it's actually him
>>34383
Pharmabros like Jordan Peterson, Andrew Yang, and Vivek love that consultant speak. It doesn't offend anybody and appeals to their need to talk down to the masses. They're just not channeling the same energy as the Finn who downed meth or Hitler on meth. Just look at how mind broken Mike Lindell is. That's what speed does to people.
It why my state is so desperately trying to push weed. Doctors are afraid that boomers on medicine will heightened their psychosis and make them super soldiers. Just look at what drugs did to Trump. It gave him the power to become a Norse god with the delusions of one. Now we fear the wrath of some pan-European dirty that threatens retribution at 2024.
>>34423
The govt legalizing weed is such degeneracy, what’s next crack cocaine and fentanyl at the govt run shops. Sad.
>>34424
My state has protestors fighting over the migrants. Post-pandemic only the front line workers can touch the poor old lady who fell into the street and help her into the ambulance. It doesn't help that doctors are dumb Asian jocks who want to have sex with their clients
>>34355
OP here and I appreciate your actual knowledge on this. Respectfully though, if the "good news" is that you don't think international drug companies with a potential trillion dollar product won't figure out how to fix supply issues, I think we reality-based FAs are in trouble.
>>34382
It’s true. I tried it during Phase 1 Beta testing. It’s really only a matter of time until it changes everything in a big way.
>>34444
I'm sure they'll figure it out eventually, but believe me when I say it'll take fucking years. Novonordisk have been seriously struggling to meet demand and I will be very surprised if Eli Lilly are any different.
But yes, it is basically bad news all around. You are right to say that the supply issues aren't much of a silver lining.
I said this in the other threads but I'll say it again: The insane popularity of these drugs is a depressing reminder of how the *vast* majority of fat women hate being fat.
>>34462
Look at how it works, someone releases a new LLM mainlining a GLP and everyone says “well now we don’t need to know how to diet anymore”.
ChatGLP and OpenAI’s Oxempic are basically just teaching kids how to skip school and cheat at gym class.
OP here again. I got an email this morning from my healthcare provider basically offering me Wegovy. According to the email itself I actually don't qualify — 27 BMI, no health issues, weight-related or otherwise — but the bottom line is that they're not waiting for folks to ask. They're pitching it, directly.
>>34596
Don't you think that's kind of fishy and a "bad sign" if they're so desperate to shill this apparent miracle drug?
>>34635
Definitely fishy and a bad sign, but probably not in the way you mean...

Fishy because drugs shouldn't be advertised at all to consumers. It's a symptom of how fucked the healthcare system is here, and that capitalism and medicine should not mix.

A bad sign to me, an FA, because it means millions of fat women who wouldn't otherwise bother asking about it (shortages and insurance exceptions have been all over the news) will be making appointments and conspiring with their doctors to cook up weight-related health issues so they qualify.
>>34645
Vivek the Hindu is plummeting cause he's trying to solve issues with meds. It's like how Yang lost the mayor race cause he wanted to medicate NYC to solve murder. It's doubtful such an approach would work given the number of 30 somethings in Japan that want to impregnate a female cop and go out like a samurai
>>34025
Yeah I mean at that age, you start to look around at all your mid 30s peers and some start looking pretty damn harsh, including those that were hot.

Then if you’re very fat you start to see the issues surrounding that creep up, like finally becoming prediabetic, wake up every morning with knees aching, can’t get pregnant and your clock’s ticking, can’t play with your kid, etc, whereas it was harmless in your 20s.

Like you said most can’t really reverse it for good but they’ll spend middle age yo-yoing.

Not to mention if you have money, you start to realize the older superfats are very often poor southern hillbillies like CandyGodiva or LargeNLovely.
>>35840
Suicidal thoughts, that is
>>35841
I am on advantage Shilajit despite being Kisame and I don't have any negative thoughts. I am 205lbs
>>35840
I dunno. My mom is a health care worker. They care more about staying employed thanks to the local union. Fetterman is only getting the Obamacare he's getting as opposed to United Healthcare which is what I have.
>>35840
It’s coinciding. Food addicts lost their fix.
Take away some mentally unwell food addicts main vice and they’re gonna be left with no self soothing mechanisms to control their out of control emotions.
These gorge holes really think diets and exercise don’t work or are too hard to do. They’re so high on copium they can’t understand that they shouldn’t need to take a drug that forces them into portion control.
OP here... As predicted, the GLP-1 revolution has come up against America's for-profit healthcare system. Insurance companies are starting to balk over paying $800-1200/mo for decades. Yet as discussed, everyone who goes off these drugs immediately gains the weight back.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/insurance-providers-are-halting-coverage-of-ozempic-and-other-glp-1-drugs

In other news, the weight loss seems to top out at 15% of initial body weight.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/well/ozempic-weight-loss-plateau.html?name=styln-weight-loss-drugs&region=TOP_BANNER&block=storyline_menu_recirc&action=click&pgtype=Article&variant=undefined
>>35873
>>35875
>Muh addiction

I can honestly see the American government shutdown cause the for profit health care industry has a bunch of robo fat boomers and GenX hoped on Xanax and oxycodone too poor to pay for drugs and uninsured cause of Obamacare. It's why the medical industry is so desperate for trooning. They want robo boomers like Feinstein, Mitch McConnell, and Fetterman
>>35875
Hard to say anon. I make 1.5-1.9k making Shake Shack fries and tendies for MSK, NYU med students.
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As expected, Dems in NJ brought back the fatcat who took bribes, apartments, cars from corporations. He even cries conspiracy and racism. Trump was right that the scales of justice had to be made equal, it's just we needed another fat fuck to balance the scales.
>>35880
Right on the money.

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