I posted this because I came across a BBW porn manga. I noted how the dude in it is passive and is bossed around by tall BBWs. This amazed me because of stereotypes that Asian men are effeminate, passive and are physically weak. Then I come across porn written and drawn by Asian men that embrace these stereotypes. I noted how various Japanese BBW porn and manga uses femdom elements that we have big huge fat women bossing around tiny little men.

This made me wonder if there are other elements unique to Japanese BBW material that isn't common in Western BBW material. Like if some of it uses exploitative elements more (Like women being forced to get nude or fat, or ending up in hentai tentacle situations).
As well as similar story elements between the two.

I am focused on Manga with BBW characters and BBW weight gain, it can be stuff like Plus-sized elf, and Melt Away! Mizore-chan to stuff that is straight up porn. For the porn, leave out the explicit stuff and have it be more did the woman force herself on the man or is the woman casually gaining weight or forced to gain weight. For other manga, it has to be stuff with a lot of BBWs, or have repeated scenes where a female character gaining weight is shown as sexy and not given cartoonish features when gaining weight. Like I don't consider How Heavy are the Dumbbells you lift? a BBW manga as Hibiki is drawn to be more cartoonish and not beautiful/sexy when she's fat. I didn't mention anime, because most anime will at least have some BBW characters and maybe some scenes that could appeal to us, but they don't have shows where the premise is fat women losing/gaining weight or have frequent weight gain plots where the women are designed to be sexy/beautiful. I will be happy when we finally get the ecchi series with BBW characters.

Anyhoo, post the similarities/differences when you can.

I just thought of another question of differences between works made on opposite sides of the pacific. Which works have more reluctant fatties? Like works where someone is dismayed at their weight and is unhappy? Which works have more fatties owning their fat? Which ones have more fatties uncaring/ignorant of their fat? Like the Passion Patty addicts of totally spies, they could be 400 lbs. but they don't care so long as they can eat.

As well as fatties that take charge and active or fatties that are docile/shy/demure.

I don't read manga etc, but I have noticed that most Japanese BBW porn (as in IRL/3D porn) tends to focus on dominant women and submissive men. Must be a cultural thing.

>>31995
Not really. The average male fighter like Vegeta weighs 123lb pounds or like Krillin weighs 99lbs. Goku and Gohan have an excuse for wanting a female fighter like Videl and Chi Chi cause they're assertive. The average Japanese male is like Gendo, he's afraid of his wife.

It's more obvious in Z where Maron is manipulating Krillin into taking risks he wouldn't do with her big ass

>>32001
Even so, a lot of JAVs that feature BBWs have extended sequences involving smothering, size difference and body worship. They're typically shot with extreme camera angles through a fisheye lens, too. This has the added effect of making the BBWs look much bigger and full-figured than they actually are. You don't know how many times I've picked up a JAV only to find the woman wasn't as big as they appeared on the cover. Scenes tend to involve actors staying in one position and often go on much longer than they should.. this is part of the appeal; it's easier to time skip. Some of Lexxxi Luxe and Mandy Majestic's best performances were done through Izumu, in my opinion; and they're really quite simple compared to their western productions! Most of Herohero Tom's work are basically illustrated recreations of those videos.

What's the sauce on the OP pic?

>>32015
The image I posted here? It was from a manga by heroherotom of a male sumo fucking four tall fat women. I was looking for an image that isn't NSFW and this is what I chose to show my point how in Japanese BBW stuff, the woman physically dominates that man and bosses him around.

I also pointed out how stereotypical it is to say that Asian men are effeminate, physical weak and submissive and how it feels like this porn made by asian men is just embracing these stereotypes. That if this stuff was made here in the west, it would be decried for being stereotypical.

It's like if I found porn made by black people where the dude to boisterous, fast talking loud and jive speaking with a big penis screwing a sassy jive talking black woman.

>>32013
So it's taking women that are thick/curvy and starting to be overweight and using angles to make them appear bigger/fatter? I note too with heroherotom to have them taller/gigantic to have them appear fatter.

I can imagine too, that a lot of these creators don't know how to draw superfat women. Like as big as joynado or boberry. Since very few japanese Adult video stars reach the sizes of these women. For artists here in the west, drawing superfat, super big women is natural for some artists. I wonder if this is why super fat women in manga/anime look grotesque/cartoony, because most of these artists don't know how to draw super fat women and the details that come from bigger builds.

I used a heroherotom image for this thread to illustrate how Japanese men seem to be into fat women dominating men.

I think for why the submissive men too, in Japanese culture, collectivism, obedience and loyalty are prized. The ideal man being the guy who works the job and does what the boss says. Meanwhile here in the west, the ideal man is aggressive, assertive and takes charge of stuff. We also expect women to be demure and passive.

I also think for the story of why the sumo isn't a big,fat man weighing 3 to 5 hundred pounds, it's because most Japanese men don't get that big. They likely have little BHM/BBW stuff because most of them don't fantasize about becoming big and fat. I wonder too if this is why most mangaka don't sexualize sumo wrestlers. They want their beefcake in the form of thin muscular men, not in big obese men in loincloths.

I think like works here, BBW Manga doesn't want BHMs and BBWs. Wanting thin men being near a woman who is putting on weight. I imagine the disgust over bigger men and how much we see fat guys in fiction but rarely fat women and how common it is to see fat guys with hot wives in fiction but rarely we see fat women with hot guys. I imagine not wanting to see fat men and women sleeping together comes from these feelings.

>>32025
By all accounts, Hideki Tojo was a coward pushed by his domineering wife to become a war criminal. He may or may not have started the trend of ultra right wing being manipulated by a shrewd woman to excell in studies.

>>32026
Japanese toy execs think a fat married man would be unrelatable. This is why Hayato is panted as a fat loser in Zeta, of Ryo from 0079 are killed off. The only upside is that they died with dignity or Hayato got Fraw while Amuro is a space ghost and Bright's son is a terrorist simping for pussy. Only Raditz, Nappa, and two fat men in Bardock's crew get some dignity.

Another problem is that nobody wants to see men like Bardock get dominated. Super was criticized for making Bardock getting pushed around by a fat and pregnant Gine in a flashback to make Goku understand his Saiyan heritage.

>>32022
>So it's taking women that are thick/curvy and starting to be overweight and using angles to make them appear bigger/fatter?
I wouldn't say that these women are thick or curvy, though; the vast majority I've seen aren't really by Western standards. Japan's approach to fat fetishism places a lot of emphasis on fat people's squishy, doughy or shapeless features. Think how nearly every single Hitomi Tanaka video has a prolonged sequence where her breasts get poked and prodded at, but instead it's her whole body. There's very little overt hypersexuality involved, if that makes sense? Both Lexxxi Luxe and Mandy Majestic have their defining features, but when it comes to your average fat JAV model? Things are usually much more modest. It's rare to see them with stuffed protruding bellies, thick and powerful thighs, an absolute shelf of an ass, or even breasts bigger than their heads. They're just kinda chubby or have all around stocky builds. The way their scenes are filmed almost leaves you with the impression that they're living stress toys or body pillows—actual fetish objects. Herohero Tom has his spin on this by making the women taller, stronger and more dominant; which is why I mentioned the western actresses appearing in Izumu productions once in a blue moon. There's a whole stereotype in Japan of foreign women (especially Americans) being loud and forthcoming and that certainly plays into the different contrasts when it comes to this fetish. They do have models who venture into 'superfat' or SSBBW territory, but they're basically blobs with limited mobility; and there are plenty of doujins fantasizing about that too. There's no in between.

>>30254 (Dead)

No inbetween SSBBW and bedbound?
Or BBW and SSBBW?

I imagine they would be limited in artistic fat references because most of them don't get superfat. I imagine their fat reference pools are limited. Versus the artists here who have loads of references to work with.

>>32063
I meant
>>32054

I also ask about BBWs in manga, do we get unhappy fatties, happy fatties, ignorant of their fat fatties? Which is more common?

>>32043

Would this explain about the portrayal of sumo wrestlers in anime/manga? That creators use them for comedic gags an the occasional fat joke. They often have simpler/cartoon faces and occassional toony builds.

I imagine most of these artists don't know how to draw fat people. Thus they appear cartoony/grotesque. This also leads to faces being cartoony/simplistic. I figure most of these creators who want to draw sexy women and not want to draw obese men in loincloths. They will indulge in beefcake, but if it's shirtless muscle men.

This made me unaware of the fangirls sumo wrestlers have who also find them sexy.

>>32067
Japan likes cartoons cause it's simple and easy to draw. Fat men are just seen as stern dad's, brash loudmouths, or an authority figure in anime. If anything Japan hates the weak effeminate men like Gackt.

I don't mean cartoons, by cartoony style, I mean it's drawn to be simpler and more exaggerated, versus realistic styles. You are right that it is easier to drawn in this style versus learning how to draw bigger people as sexy/beautiful.

I guess then in manga/anime they go for the masculine bravado type dude. What we were talking about was how in Japanese BBW porn/manga, the dudes are tiny and weak compared to the giant fat women that boss them around. That in this media, men are passive versus in Shonen or seinen works were dudes are hyper masculine and tough.

>>32076
So even Sumo wrestlers should get the fat man treatment even though they're celebrities and hold ties to Japanese religious customs? I also know that they live separately from the general public and train constantly for the sport hence why they likely don't show up a lot in Japanese fiction. I also imagine male writers who lust for thin curvy women don't want to include fat men in loincloths, and the sport's declining popularity means fewer and fewer people willing to engage in the sport and reference it more.

>>32063
No inbetween BBW and Bedbound; you'd be hard-pressed to find a woman shaped like Boberry making content over there. There's a reason why most of the fat women posted in Asian threads on other boards here are mostly Chinese.
>I imagine they would be limited in artistic fat references because most of them don't get superfat. I imagine their fat reference pools are limited.
For sure. There's a world of difference between artists like Huurin Kazan and Nikutsuki, and that difference comes from how clearly Nikutsuki draws from western model references.

I imagine too, that since the models here get a nice big fattening diet much more than the models in Japan, it's easier to grow out more here than there. Plus, Japan is known for being super fatphobic. I imagine this wouldn't encourage weight gain there as I imagine Japanese BBW models would probably go through a lot of belittlement and ridicule much more than the standard american BBW model.

I think I realize that in the Japanese BBW stuff, we don't get the pillar of masculinity bossing around a bbw or being with a BBW. That we don't get a dude like Guts with a BBW. Instead we get weak, tiny men bossed around by BBWs.

I did remember coming across a BBW/BHM story where the BHM was more submissive to his BBW girlfriend who wanted him to fuck her. I also note how BBW and BHM manga is a rarity. We get stuff with BBWs fucking thin men. And fat men fucked by thin women. But not Fat men and women screwing each other. I imagine often when someone is attracted to a gender, they want stuff of the gender they find sexy. Hence men who make loads of cheesecake. Though there are dudes that have done beefcake and women that have drawn cheesecake. This isn't to say they're gay, just putting out art of sexy men/women.

I pointed out multiple times how amazing it is I haven't seen an ecchi/hentai story with female sumo wrestlers getting into sex comedy hijinks. I thought either set it in a world where sumo wrestling is female only/coed. Or set it present Japan and call out the sexism of the sport. I also thought the creator would want the women to be slender and curvaceous because Mangaka aren't into BBWs. THough maybe some of them may throw in some BBWs. I just wondered one day, if a mangaka into BBWs decides to just write the thing. A story of various BBWs becoming sumo wrestlers and getting into sex comedy hijinks.

>>32162
I meant to say most Mangaka aren't into BBWs.

>>32162
>>32164
Plump female characters like Megumo Amano are considered a hindrance to male characters like Manabu who want to get into university. He can't focus if the blood flowing thru his brain is being directed to maintain a five foot erection watching a kendo girl bend over for him.

Only Takahashi knows how to make fat characters like Mukotsu, Tokajin, and Shura look distinct, but wanting to crush Inuyasha and impregnate a naked Kagome makes them evil

>>32170
Megumi amano doesn't count as a BBW, curvaceous women don't count as fat. So many times, I see women that are somewhat thick/curvy but are treated as fat/overweight/obese. I wouldn't call them BBWs. I would call them BBWs if they have more of a belly, thicker thighs, arms, then they would appear more legitimately fat/obese.

Megumi looks like most other hot women in anime/manga, if being curvaceous makes one a BBW, then almost every sexy woman in anime/manga would be talked about here on this site. Women like Nami, Rangiku, Mitsuri, would be talked about outside of fat art made about them.

I think for these characters, it furthers the fat people as villains stereotypes, and the idea that fat people are ugly and bad guys are ugly, therefore, villains are fat. They have bodies we don't want to see being nude and sexual. I imagine the trope of the fat, ugly villain wanting the sexy heroine is this. They wish to violate them and the fact it's desired by ugly people makes the act even more disgusting.

Actually BBWs in anime/manga would be Risley Law from Fairy Tail, Inko Midoriya from My Hero Academia, Mizore from certain scenes in Melt Away! Mizore-chan, Nikuko and her mom from Please tell me galko-chan!, Miyako and Tomoki from Is kichioji the only place to live, a lot of the women in Plus-sized Elf, are examples to me of BBWs in anime manga. The fact more and more modern stuff has BBW characters shows maybe one day, we'll see more of these characters in series. I hold out hope for a BBW ecchi series someday.

I know how many FAs in the days before the internet used curvy women as fap material. As BBWs were hard to come by in fiction, and magazines. And see we want women with curves and big boobs, these FAs likely had to make do and pleasure themselves to women like Diane Thorne or actresses in a Russ Meyer film. I think this causes confusion because we think that if a woman has curves, clearly she's a fatty who got her curves due to her weight.

This ignores that some women could have curves despite being thin, or they could have gotten a boob job, thus endowing them with big boobs despite their thin frame. This confusion leads to moments in fiction where a woman is "Fat", because of her somewhat thicker build and curvier figure.

The internet and the rise of plus-size models have truly given us material to work with. We see more media portrayals of plump women.

>>32174
>>32175
>>32176
Again, bastard characters are fun to write. At church, my pastor complained that demons and aliens were taking away screentime from good Christian characters. I counter by pointing out that bastards like Turles, Frieza, and Aizen are proactive characters. Heroes are too reactionary in such a way that it detracts from the moral. Gohan is a reaction to Goku's martial arts adventure by being an academic. Fat characters just react to the environment.

On the other side this is why Bleach is flopping. Fat men like Omaeda, Ichibei, and Hachi did more to take down the Espada and Quincy than the main character. Even fat women like Hikifune is more useful to Soul Society than Ichigo. It's no wonder Orihime is putting on weight.

>>32177
Japan does not like the internet subculture. Only weirdos like Konaka is obsessed with chan culture. Futaba was created to capitalize on 2ch subculture, but P5 falls flat where they try to make her helpless just like how Makoto is helpless despite both of them being competent in the OP credits to the game.

>>32232
>>32233
I was talking about how fat people are portrayed in anime/manga and in BBW stuff. Not reactive versus proactive characters.

With Fat characters in those series, even if they end up in positions of power, they're secondary and don't have much complexity or development. Hachigen has a personality that isn't fat jokes, but after defeating Barragan, he drops out of the story. Ichibei is an sociopathic manipulator who uses those around him to further the preservation of the soul society. He continues what I said about the fat people as villains. That villains that are evil and cruel are also obese. Omaeda is a comic relief sidekick so not a great example either.

With HIkifune, even though she's part of the powerful squad zero, she is more secondary and isn't a main character. She trains Ichigo and Renji and fights against Yhwach and some Sternritter but gets killed and resurrected, that's it. She doesn't do much more in the narrative beyond that. Also she doesn't get fanserviced as other female characters until she loses weight. Kubo may be into sexing her up, it's only when she's thin and curvy, not big and fat. He'll give her cleavage and/or a bikini when she's thin, not fat. Also Orihime isn't putting on weight in the story, Kubo ain't into fat women. No way he'd want one of the main Ms.Fanservices of the series to gain weight and become fat. While Bleach may be somewhat progressive when it comes to fat characters being more than comic relief, it still falls behind in other fields.

I'm pointing out how fat women in mainstream series don't get treated as sexy and beautiful and have characterization beyond being fatties who eat a lot or are secondary that only are known for their relationships to other characters.

>>32234

I was talking about how for us in the west, we have plus-size models showing their bods. Giving us more media to look at. As well as more works here and some stuff in Japan giving us more fat women that aren't one note fat jokes. Not what Japanese people think about manga with BBWs.

>>32236
Japan hates ecchi because it was created to get around strict broadcasting laws. Another problem is that hentai's often criticized for charging high prices for cheap frivolous entertainment. Japan wants pretty boy geniuses. Being fat is commonly associated with the Otaku subculture

Even Yuji Naka, Sonic's programmer is flat out hated for throwing tantrums and commiting white collar crime and throwing to prison despite being fat.

To answer OPs question, nobody wants a serious fat fetish story. Miyazaki is often criticized for hating America while longing for the days that Japan was a blue collar military island without imperialism.

>>32232
Plus I was also saying how a character from a manga doesn't count as a BBW and the whole trope of Hollywood Pudgy. When a work of fiction calls a person fat and obese when really they're normal weight or a little chubby but they aren't obese.

It's something a lot of us face when finding BBWs. We hear in a show/movie/magazine article about a woman who's gained weight and is fat. We look for her but she is curvaceous and slender, but not fat. Or at most she has a bit of a belly, yet she's treated as though she's 300+ lbs. I imagine with curvy women, the media wants to say that the reason she has big boobs and a big butt is because she's a porker who's stuffing herself with pastries and cakes. In the days before the internet, FAs would use Russ Meyer films or stuff with buxom women because it was closest they had to work with.

With men, this is lobbed at men that are thick/muscular. The idea is that their thick build is again due to being a porker.

I have come across manga with BBW tags and see that the woman is at most curvaceous with a bit of a tummy, but isn't like overweight/obese. I heard that Japan and other Asian countries are extremely fatphobic. This is likely why there isn't as much BBW manga and why fat characters are the way they are in anime/manga. To people extremely fatphobic, even a slight weight gain is horrible. Being a little overweight is the same as being massively obese. This is likely why the supposed BBWs are a little overweight with a bit of a tummy.

I also remembered how in various series, various artists tend to draw sumo wrestlers to be muscular than fat. I imagine these artists don't know how to draw fat people and are unwilling to draw big fat sumos. Thus drawing them to have a thick muscular build can convey the image of a big fat sumo wrestler without having to draw them with plump features.

with the muscular builds, it's to convey male power/sex fantasies more than the big fat builds that sumos have. I also think since most Japanese men don't get that big, they would fantasize about being muscular more than being fat.

>>32237 Kisame here. I'm old. They call ne weird ass.

>>32483
We call you autistic, you gigantic fucking sperg.

>>32484
Who are you guys talking to? I am barely online because I work in the food service industry. We've been so productive lately that there's hardly time to rest.

>>32486 Are you absolutely certain that there isn't like some sort if food shortage crisis happening in your country right now, because that's what's on the news.

>>32488
There's a shortage of food cause UPS is planning on striking. The fat Latinos can't work cause they can't find a babysitter, forcing men like me to do double shifts

>>32484
Don't look at me. Nobody watches the news. We're catching on that the news just want to promote Trump non stop. One of the Zoomers at my job took off to see Barbie instead of Oppenheimer. I think WB is underestimating how much men want to impregnate a violent Aussie