Lately I've been thinking about this mental dichotomy between having the strong attraction to fat chicks, while being pretty worried about the societal implication of the obesity epidemic. Since 1990, obesity has fucking skyrocketed. 42% of all Americans are Obese, and that number is 50% for black folks, 45% for Hispanics and whites, and sub 20% for Asians. The same trend can be seen for most of the western world.

There's not an individual behavioral explanation for this. People might be a bit lazier now then 30 years ago, but its far from an answer. Maybe its processed foods, but its not like TV dinners of the 50s were great. What is in processed foods that could explain this massive societal rise? Is it as simple as sugar? Is it sodie pops that fattened the world? Is it little mircoplastics that fuck up our hormones and you can't escape from them? Why are American Asians exempt from this trend? Asia's got a lot of cultures, and a lot of Asian Americans live pretty damn Americanized lives.

And our societal response to this isn't at all to reflect and find and address these base systems that contribute to this, but to find empowerment in obesity. This has the side benefit of making hot girls be okay with fatness, making my dick hard, but is it good for society? The answer has to be no. But seeing as the rates for obesity largely negatively correlate with economic capital, its a capitalistic societal failure at a certain point isn't it.

Maybe this is not worth worries, maybe I should be frankly quite happy, as there are more plump fish in the sea. And I am. But there is a feeling in the back of my mind of concern for this trend.

Also, none of this is to bash on the body positivity movement per se. I think it's good that women hold a better relationship to their bodies and mental well being regardless of obesity or otherwise. And I don't think loss of societal shaming pressure to have thin bodies is any cause of rise of obesity.

>There's not an individual behavioral explanation for this. People might be a bit lazier now then 30 years ago, but its far from an answer. Maybe its processed foods, but its not like TV dinners of the 50s were great. What is in processed foods that could explain this massive societal rise? Is it as simple as sugar? Is it sodie pops that fattened the world? Is it little mircoplastics that fuck up our hormones and you can't escape from them? Why are American Asians exempt from this trend? Asia's got a lot of cultures, and a lot of Asian Americans live pretty damn Americanized lives.
It's a combination of several things. There's no individual factor that's single-handedly jumped the obesity rate. You already touched on some of them: The increasing prominence of "Convenience" foods and the lowered need to be physically active to live life are certainly two of them. To expand on the two, there's been an increase in hobbies that require minimal physical activity to enjoy in recent years, and similarly, there's been less need to be physically active to meet basic needs, such as with the rise of food delivery services over the past decade or so. As for Asian Americans, it very well could be an income-based thing. On average, they're the richest group in the country, and there's a very clear correlation between poverty and obesity, due to how cheap unhealthy foods are in this day and age. Likely also explains the higher obesity rate in blacks.
>And our societal response to this isn't at all to reflect and find and address these base systems that contribute to this, but to find empowerment in obesity. This has the side benefit of making hot girls be okay with fatness, making my dick hard, but is it good for society? The answer has to be no. But seeing as the rates for obesity largely negatively correlate with economic capital, its a capitalistic societal failure at a certain point isn't it.
On the physical health end, it goes without saying that fat acceptance is a net negative for society as a whole. Don't really need to elaborate on that one. However, on paper, it may end up as a net positive for mental health on paper. As it stands, we're at a point where there's still a sizable segment of society that condemns obesity, and as a result, fat people have to deal with the mental whiplash of going from fat-positive spaces to fat-hating spaces, which might actually worsen mental wellness. As for the capitalism angle, it can be partially blamed, but likely not for the reasons you may think. Sharp demand for convenience over all else has helped push the factors that foster a fat society. Things like previously-mentioned food delivery services, premade meals, and many "quick" solutions as a whole are all results of market demand.
>Maybe this is not worth worries, maybe I should be frankly quite happy, as there are more plump fish in the sea. And I am. But there is a feeling in the back of my mind of concern for this trend.
It's really not worth putting too much concern into, if you ask me. It's too widespread of a thing where any individual can really do much about it. If you're attracted to fat chicks, you're attracted to fat chicks. You can be into them and still realize the potential consequences of it, which leads me to
>Also, none of this is to bash on the body positivity movement per se. I think it's good that women hold a better relationship to their bodies and mental well being regardless of obesity or otherwise. And I don't think loss of societal shaming pressure to have thin bodies is any cause of rise of obesity.
I'm fine with the Body Positivity movement to an extent. I draw the line at pretending that that obesity doesn't lead to health risks, and to an extent, putting non-conventionally attractive people on a pedestal, which seems to be a common thread with such movements. As previously mentioned, having it be a net boon for mental wellness is a net plus. Disagree with absence of fat-shaming being a total nonfactor, though. Though it's likely much less significant than factors expressed earlier.

This contradiction is just life as an FA and exponentially worse if, like me, you have feedism fantasies as well. It means keeping most my desires in a box, but oh well. I try to keep my humanity on the shelf above my fetish life.

I could lose 30 pounds and not miss it (I'm middle aged, give me a break), but overall I eat as well as I can, processed foods only when unavoidable (like if I'm at a restaurant, someone's house, or on the road where avoiding fast food is near-impossible). I do some form of exercise 3-5 days a week and am an active person in general. Where I live allows me to bike and walk just about anywhere, etc. I'm not a monk — I enjoy alcohol, and sweets but very rarely from a package. I've inherited good genes but I think it's a significant factor in why I'm in my 50s, on 0 meds, with "numbers" in the top 15% of my demo.

And you know what turns me on — my ultimate? A 500 pound woman who gorges herself with fast food and is bonded to her couch. There's no way I'd actually be with someone like that, for many reasons, but of course I fantasize. This means actual hyperobese, near-immobile women on the internet are a big part of my porn diet. Real people, killing themselves thanks to food addiction and depression (aligned), whom I directly and indirectly subsidize buying porn, or just giving them attention — "liking" an Instagram post, or whatever.

How do I reconcile this? I can't, it's evil. Evil as being an actual, active predatory feeder? No, but damn.

I like being an FA, I'm a weirdo in many ways so having unconventional tastes fits right in. I actively support sane (non denialist) SA, with word and $. But I hate that I'm a "feeder."

Wow, that was depressing... but liberating too.

Anyway, this is slightly tangential, but something that just doesn't get talked about except by cranks like me, hippies, etc so I'll take this opportunity to share my thoughts on it:

<rant> Big Ag's (Big Agriculture's) near monopoly on food production in the USA (think Monsanto) has paralleled the scary rise in obesity. This has led to our food supply itself being replaced by what's basically a diet of highly addictive, edible deadly drugs. Getting more specific, a major culprit is the overwhelming use of HFCS (high-fructose corn syrup), which is highly addictive and gram for gram has a far worse impact on metabolic health than the sweeteners it replaced, whether from cane, beets, etc.

HFCS's addictive properties have led to it being used in many foods where you wouldn't think it would be needed, to replace "flavor" lost through overprocessing. Bread, for instance, doesn't need sugar. I make my own and it's delicious — unprocessed flour, water, and yeast — but it's good for about 2 days, inedible after 4. Ultra-processed supermarket bread (including "healthy" variations like "whole wheat" and multigrain) lasts for weeks but without being pumped full of HFCS would be inedible.

The US government has had a big hand in this, subsidizing low-nutrition, high-calorie foods and thus making them far cheaper than the free market would otherwise allow. Both political parties are heavily funded by Big Ag, and half the states in the union rely on food production and are thus all (Iowa) or partially (California) owned by them, so this is hardly a partisan/Red-Blue issue. (Or maybe you're a Libertarian who hates regulation of all kinds, in which case the current system is paradise on earth.)

The Media makes billions from Big Ag advertising so there's no incentive — in fact a gigantic disincentive — to investigate this, or even talk about it. Seriously — when was the last time you saw any sort of reference to how awful our food is from a MSM source? Or even an independent media source? It's a non-issue, but I mean that literally, not figuratively.

Case in point, one of the few media sources whose taken on Big Ag over the last 40 years is PBS. Frontline did some hard-hitting, highly informative reporting on BIg Ag's business practices and it had a big impact (granted, mostly among folks who pay attention to PBS). Almost immediately, Big Ag became major sponsors of PBS and it stopped. (Note that BIg Ag's horrendous labor practices are also completely unreported, but I don't want to get too tangential here...)

Science itself has been purchased by Big Ag. They give massive grants to nearly every research university in the country and sponsor their own studies. Try finding a study on HFCS that doesn't directly lead back to a lobby group funded by Big Ag. Or just google "Big Ag" and the first entry is agitprop from their lobbyists, posing as "concerned citizens."

The result of all this is an obesity and malnutrition epidemic that costs trillions and is exponentially more devastating than any other health risk. Probably all others combined. I'm no Covid denier, but if the US govt put 1% of the resources and attention to solving the food issue as they did towards softening the pandemic, millions of lives would be saved. </rant>

There’s a bunch of health stuff that’s real and worrisome

But it’s also worth remembering the affects of weight gain aren’t necessarily that bad, especially staying under 300 pounds. sometimes it can even be healthier to be a little chunky

that being said i think it’s still important to keep track of health and also at fast food and all the consumption driven stuff of our civilization that can cause people to gain weight

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>>12816
300 lbs is completely arbitrary and means entirely different things for a woman who is 5'10" vs a woman who is 5'.
If someone's BMI classifies them as "obese", they're likely living an unhealthy lifestyle that could lead to more serious health complications or risks later in life.

Tangent I guess, but as much as BMI is bullshit for actual medical stuff, I wish guys used it more to talk about women. That and dress size do a better job of making me picture what a woman looks like than poundage does, due to height, muscle mass, and weight distribution.

>>12827
Absolutely why we should be using it to distinguish between BBW/SSBBE/USSBBW. It's literally not a measure of health, it's a measure of how fat you are.

The dress sizes being used remind me of this, and since one store's M is another store's XL, I can't really see that working. Still, it's better than straight up weight - that's how you get Amazon women claiming to be supersized when they look thick. Or whatever the fuck Lailani is doing.

>>12828
And also super short women, like 5'2 or shorter, being like 250 lbs are basically ENORMOUS irl

>>12829
Yes — my first GF was 5'1", 180-190 and FAT, 2nd fattest girl in my high school. (This was the mid-80s mind you, she'd probably be right at the top of the bell curve now.) I'm 5'10" and she outweighed me by 10-20 pounds. She hated that, I loved it...

>>12829
Inversely, women hovering around the 6' mark and being around 300 look like pretty standard levels of fat. I had hung out with a girl some time ago that was probably about 5'6" or thereabouts and was around 310, and she was quite a bit wider than another girl I know who's a couple inches taller and around 25 pounds more.

I have learnt to accept rising obesity rates as a good thing. The obese women I see daily are just too attractive for me to see anything wrong with it anymore.

NO WOMEN STILL NOT FAT SUFFICENT FOR ME I NEED THE WOMEN LIKE 10X FATTER AT LEAST 5X THAN MAYBE I BECAME PLEASURED

>>12811 (OP)
> Is it sodie pops that fattened the world?
I'm convinced this is like 90% of it. All the fat people (and fat families) I know drink fizzy drinks and literally nothing else. Also, the fattest countries also have the highest consumption rate.

>>12885
A lot of food has been packed with sugar to enhance the flavor and keep it shelf stable for longer. Look at the Added Sugars on the nutrition labels to see what I mean.

Sugar isn't the only culprit but goddamn if it isn't the biggest one. And since soda consumption is so widespread (being a default for many instead of water), then it's for sure the one getting all these people fatter. I can name less than a handful of fatasses in my own life that are huge and don't drink liquid sugar, and they're addicted to sugar in the form of baked goods and candy.

Look, at the end of the day you can't really do shit. Yeah, the obesity epidemic is bad, but it's largely about the kind of food that's available for popular consumption (sugary garbage) and increasingly sedentary lifestyles, not fat acceptance per se. The average fat girl still hates her body, and it doesn't stop them from being fat. Even actual body positivity movements don't really have much of an impact on obesity, and feeders/FAs have even less effect.

For most girls, being fetishised doesn't make them feel any more comfortable being fat; unless they themselves are feedees, the idea that someone's attracted to them because they eat way too much and get fat as a result would make them feel worse about their diet and weight. As for feedist relationships, it's not like the feedee would've been trying to eat healthy without a feeder.

All in all, we as a community don't really bear responsibility for any rise in obesity. And if you really care about it and you're a feeder irl, you should focus on mitigating the damage of that weight gain you cause. Use olive oil and/or lard in place of seed oils and butter (surprisingly, lard is actually better for cholesterol than those two categories), make sure she's eating at least some fruits and vegetables in addition to an otherwise horribly fattening diet, and make sure she's getting some exercise (swimming is best, since it limits the strain on joints). Frequent exercise with a massive calorie surplus won't stop her getting fat, but it'll help give her the cardio to offset that weight gain, and also prevents the visceral fat that does most of the damage to obese people. Think sumo wrestlers; they eat shitloads of calories but don't suffer health effects while they're training, because they do enough exercise to compensate. A feedee isn't ever going to be on that level, but you can still get close enough to avoid the worst damage.

>>12897

My gf started swimming at the community pool in January to get a little exercise and to help her back and joints. She's gained some weight since then. Swimming is a HUGE appetite stimulant. And she feels much better in general. So highly second convincing the fatty in your life to take up swimming.