I'm but a comparative youngster, and my horizons are correspondingly limited. But some of you have been in fat fetish spaces for a long time now.

My question for you: how has this fetish changed over the last 5 or 10 or 25 years (or more)? Sexuality's not a static thing, but we often think of it that way, like feedists in 2022 desire and fantasize about the same things that people who were into fat did in 1972--or 972. I think that's probably not true, and I wonder if any of you have observations that can corroborate my hunch.

What's your take on this? My own foray: I feel like gaining has become a much larger subfetish in the scene than it was like 10 or 15 years ago.

>>12309 (OP)
It's definitely grown in general. Say what you will about Feabie, Tumblr, and Instagram, but those sites have definitely helped expose a lot more people (especially women) to the kink. There's just so many more people in it now, whereas before it felt like a really gross subgenre with the biggest weirdos.

I also feel like the models have gotten more attractive? I feel like 15 years ago the criteria for being a model was literally just: be fat. So you had a lot of older, unattractive, unkept people. Which again made the whole scene feel like it was a space dedicated to men and women who couldn't get laid.

Finally, I think people are more open talking about really specific kinks like deathfeedism, and models accommodating that kinda stuff. In the past I think the community in general just sort of danced around those darker subjects.

>>12312
>I also feel like the models have gotten more attractive? I feel like 15 years ago the criteria for being a model was literally just: be fat. So you had a lot of older, unattractive, unkept people. Which again made the whole scene feel like it was a space dedicated to men and women who couldn't get laid.
I'm glad someone said it. Almost none of the "classic" models do it for me, and I've been in this scene for over a decade. Though I'm admittedly biased against older (40+) fat women as a general rule

>>12312
>I also feel like the models have gotten more attractive? I feel like 15 years ago the criteria for being a model was literally just: be fat. So you had a lot of older, unattractive, unkept people. Which again made the whole scene feel like it was a space dedicated to men and women who couldn't get laid.
i actually still think that is still the case with a lot of models just being fat and not much to look at face wise, like obviously you can't be took picky with a niche fetish like this but i feel people just have low standards for models

I can spot more changes in the culture of fat/feeder fetishism than changes in its desires.

I'd say that the nature of obesity itself has changed. Back in 1998, I used to think of someone like Cindy G as HUUUUGE. I could not wrap my head around how impossibly fat she was. I know she'd still be considered big today, but a lot of women have pushed the upward limits of HUUUGGE well beyond in the intervening years.

THEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsiQMWEtMrM

NOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtW64iZBqns&t=139s

Another thing that drives me fucking nuts is the death of the term BBW as having any utility for FAs. The body positivity thing (which this community spawned) gave that term away, and now every goddamned woman with 4lbs of excess body fat is a BBW. I once went on a date with a woman, who's ad described herself as BBW. I almost kicked her out of my car when her skinny ass got in.

I thought, who the fuck told her she was fat? It turned out that nobody did. She didn't consider herself a fat woman. The term BBW had stopped meaning Fat Woman like 15 years ago. Whatever it means now, I have no idea but I'm always last to catch on.

The more time passes the less useful those terms BBW and SSBBW get. Maybe I'm like a grandpa boomer still using them.

>>12312
This really resonates, even for someone like me who didn't discover these communities till well into the 21st century. Seems like social media and the internet in general have really made it possible for this fetish to move away from the margins and involve way more people.

>>12315
I think I agree that there's still plenty of models we wouldn't consider incredibly attractive, but if anything that comes back to the point about so many more people being involved. Proportion of less-than-attractive models? Probably comparable to what it's always been, more or less. But sheer number of attractive models? Probably higher than ever, just from the number of people now involved.


>>12319
>I can spot more changes in the culture of fat/feeder fetishism than changes in its desires.
Thanks for picking up on this distinction. I'm honestly interested in discussing both things.
>I'd say that the nature of obesity itself has changed. Back in 1998, I used to think of someone like Cindy G as HUUUUGE. I could not wrap my head around how impossibly fat she was. I know she'd still be considered big today, but a lot of women have pushed the upward limits of HUUUGGE well beyond in the intervening years.
Totally agree. There are just more and more fat people, and they're also fatter on average. Moves the goalposts in an exciting way, though you have to imagine there are upper limits to this at some point.

>Another thing that drives me fucking nuts is the death of the term BBW as having any utility for FAs.
This I didn't really understand. Definitely "BBW" will always be a vague and subjective term, because who counts as fat is always subjective. But I've never anywhere seen people use it in a way that wasn't some synonym of fat. Maybe your date was just a weird outlier!

Dimensions was still the main hub of internet activity around fat positivity in the mid 2000s when I discovrered it. It was already waning in importance from its days of being a near-exclusive FA print magazine, but it was still usually the first site to come up when you did a google search.

It kept a curated repository of digital art and literature from people like Studio FA and Wilson Barbers, as well as some lifestyle articles, a few softcore pics of models, and lists of the fattest people to have lived. This was outside of their forum, which was much more active than it is today.

Aside from that, people have gotten much fatter on average. Whatever FAs advocated for in the 1980s is probably close to an average American woman's weight right now. The average woman has put on about 30 pounds since the 80s, 15 pounds since 2000, and is still trending upwards.

That may not sound like too much but I'm old enough to have noticed the change: a 300 pound woman is still relatively uncommon but seeing one isn't a major event anymore either. And try to find a single woman 200 pounds or more from stock footage in the 60s or 70s. That was impossibly big at the time, and is now a daily sight at the supermarket.

Overall, I think what was considered fat has trended towards normal. We're still a little behind in sexual preferences but I feel like that will change with more recent movements. Having a "fat preferemce" will gradually apply to meaning bigger and bigger women.

>>12330
>Having a "fat preferemce" will gradually apply to meaning bigger and bigger women.

That's my guess, too. I feel like for a lot of us this fetish is about liking women who are fatter than the norm, so as the norm gets higher, so, too, will our preferences.

I would say that everything has sped up because of the Internet. It's hard to stay a BBW porn star in the way that Layla Leshelle and Teighlor were able to do in the 80s/90s. With OnlyFans, stars can come and go instantly, at the whim of either the audience or the model.

BTW, most FAs give credit to Layla Leshelle for popularising the BBW porn genre. But there was the Wild Bill studio from the 1970s film era that made a big number of BBW "smoker" films. And there was also Bad Mama Jama from around that same time that made a lot of films too. Even so, I'm sure I'm missing some earlier BBW porn film stars too.

And yes, I use the word "film" here literally. As in those movies were made by exposing film, processing film, and projecting light through the film to see the image. That's old school.

The field has gotten, well, larger too. In more ways than one. There are way more models and sub-genres today. It includes fashion modeling, nude modeling, porn, kink, etc. None of which would have existed in the days of Layla Leshelle, let alone Bad Mama Jama.

Plus, the models themselves are getting bigger. Teighlor used to be the single biggest SSBBW model ever. Now there's BobbiJo, PearAddiction, Echo, etc. And models like them are creating the new USSBBW category.

And I don't think that feederism became a thing until the VHS age though. There was a video (I forgot the name) where Teighlor and Eartha Quake were feeding each other food and snacks on camera. Even before it was released there was some controversy about whether it would feed (no pun intended) into the "sloppy fat person" stereotype.

>>12340

This is just the sort of stuff I was hoping people would mention, thanks for this. Interesting hear about how you see the community evolving along with changes in technology (film, VHS, etc.). Totally agree that the internet has exploded the size and complexity of the community, and that fat models are just getting fatter, too.

You say you think feederism wasn't a thing before the VHS age, which is really fascinating. I'm especially curious about what fat sexuality was like in the 1970s or 60s, or earlier. I wonder if there was any community to speak of, or if people just had their private fantasies that they had to come to terms with on their own.

Don't have too much to really add since I've only been around the scene since 2005ish.
Pre-Tumblr fat stuff on the internet was largely restricted to forums and I think Blogspot, maybe Deviant Art? So there was Dims and Fantasy Feeder for most community interaction.

I do distinctly remember people mentioning that there was a time when NAAFA (National Assosciation for the Advancement of Fat Americans) used to not be against feederism but how long ago that was I have no idea.

Beyond that I think it was largely a niche thing with maybe some publications here and there mixed in with politics but other than that not really much of a community.

As far as how things have changed, well they've gotten more extreme and more popular? Which people have already mentioned. Way more women, way more attractive, and pushing for much higher weights than before.

The real question for me is how far is all of this gonna go?

I'm an "Xennial" who's too young to remember the days of VHS porn stores and print mags, but I was exactly the right age to have been around for the rise of dialup Internet in the mid-1990s. My family got a 28.8k modem and an AOL account the same summer I hit puberty and realized that my interest in fat women was sexual.
By 2000, Dimensions was the hub, but before that there were groups on USENET (a pre-Web message board network) for fat sex and erotic weight gain, and a fair number of now-forgotten Web 1.0 sites like feeder.com.


The early 2000s were a major turning point. Before that, most SSBBW "content" was self-uploaded candids and party pics. Actual SSBBW models tended to be old, kind of trashy, and treated as a joke even in a porn context. (My first ever fap was to a Teighlor bikini spread in the Weekly World News that they printed as a gag.) But in the early 2000s there was a sudden explosion of paysites producing actual high-quality content with attractive women my own age.

>>12312

>Finally, I think people are more open talking about really specific kinks like deathfeedism, and models accommodating that kinda stuff. In the past I think the community in general just sort of danced around those darker subjects.

I do think that the Internet has made it a lot easier to get on a treadmill of craving more and more extreme fantasies to get off. I remember reading "Vast Tonnage" on the USENET weight gain group as a teenager, thinking it was the hottest thing I had ever read... and then feeling like the sickest, most disgusting pervert ever after I came to it. Rereading it 25 years later, it seems incredibly tame. "What if you had a fat wife who gained to 600 pounds?" These days I'm not active in any fetish spaces besides this one so I didn't even know "deathfeedism" was a concept until fairly recently, but now it's something I fantasize about often.

>>12375

>I wonder if there was any community to speak of, or if people just had their private fantasies that they had to come to terms with on their own.

Yeah, I can't even imagine what it would have been like to go through life thinking you were the only person in the world who felt this way. I was around for Kelligrl and didn't find her physically attractive (skinny face / fat body is my uncanny valley), but besides the unsolved mystery of her disappearance, one of the big reasons she became a legend is that for a lot of guys my age, she was the first gainer they ever encountered. For me it was Betsy. At a time when information about niche kinks was hard to come by, it was mindblowing to discover that somewhere out there, there were women who actually had the same weight gain fantasies that I did.

>>12375

Feederism was definitely a thing before VHS, lol.

It's just that, up until recently, America has been extremely sexually repressed. Even vanilla heterosexual encounters were taboo, especially between unmarried partners. If you had a kink of any kind, you damn well kept it to yourself.

There's other threads here that give plenty of detail about feederism in the middle east datingback over 1000 years, as well as in Afican tribes.

I think the recent "explosion" in sexual preferences has more to do with people who had existing preferences finding community through the comforting blanket of anomynity that the internet offers. This started in the 70s as film and VHS offered cheap replayable media that you could find if you werein the correct circles, but the internet made it all so much easier.

The 50s and 60s USA sound like a frigid time for anyone with even the mildest sexual preference.

>>12392

>Feederism was definitely a thing before VHS, lol.

Seminal feeder novels The Cook (Harry Kressing) was published in the 60s, and Cesar Rotondi's Grand Obese, about as blatant a piece of feeder erotica as you can imagine, in the 70s.

And if whoever wrote the Merry Melodies' Pigs is Pigs cartoon isn't a feeder I'll eat a dozen pies.

My first encounter with feedist writing was in the very late 70s. My mom's then-bf had a stack of raunchy (Hustler-type) porn mags in the closet. I wasn't interested in 99% of it, except raw curiosity for what a pussy looked like. (FA even in elementary school lol). One of the mags had four fetish stories: one about a hairy woman, one about a fat woman, one about an ugly woman, and the last about a feeder relationship. Both the fat and feeder stories were revelations, the first non-humorous acknowledgment of either fetish for me.

There was a zine called Belly Busters in the 80s, though it might have gone back to the 70s — not sure. I got my hands on a copy in the early 90s, primitive as you'd expect (pre-desktop publishing) but had drawings, stories, and a few grainy photos.

>>12411

I've never seen that Merrie Melody, and it brings up a good point. What other cartoons from back in the day hid their sexual kinks in plain sight?

The only other Looney Toon that I can think of is Porky's Romance, which is the one where Porky tries to romance Petunia, she eats all of his candy and shoos him away, he tries to kill himself and smacks his head, then has a vision of a fat spoiled Petunia who lays around eating all day while Porky works himself half to death. It's played off like Porky is "scared straight" and doesn't want to date her anymore... but the plot line is vanishingly close to allot of WG literature I've read.

>>12392
>>12411

Good to get lots of takes, that's why I asked. Personally I'm sure that there have been people who sexualize fat since the dawn of time. But I doubt there have always been sexual communities built around this, and we all know that being part of a community shapes our own fantasies and desires. People have said as much in this thread. So I'm interested in when the communities sprouted up, how they've changed, and how that all affects us.

Definitely really interesting to hear about some of these 60s-era stories, though!

>>12411

>My first encounter with feedist writing was in the very late 70s. My mom's then-bf had a stack of raunchy (Hustler-type) porn mags in the closet. I wasn't interested in 99% of it, except raw curiosity for what a pussy looked like. (FA even in elementary school lol). One of the mags had four fetish stories: one about a hairy woman, one about a fat woman, one about an ugly woman, and the last about a feeder relationship. Both the fat and feeder stories were revelations, the first non-humorous acknowledgment of either fetish for me.

Damn, that's one for the archives if I ever heard of one. I had no idea that this stuff was showing up in mainstream porn mags that far back. I'd love to track that down and see what this kink looked like in the 70s. Penthouse Forum maybe? I vaguely remember hearing about Belly Busters as well, but only after I got online and discovered that there was a community for this stuff. I was in my early teens then so never had a chance to get my hands on a physical issue.

I literally haven't thought about this in nearly thirty years, but there used to be a BBS called The Rotunda. For you young'uns, a BBS (Bulletin Board System) was how you got online before the Internet. You'd attach a modem to your land line phone, dial a regular phone number, and connect directly to a server on the other end of the phone line. I logged into the Rotunda once and poked around for a couple of minutes before suddenly freaking out when I realized that the long-distance call to San Franciso (I was on the East Coast) was going to show up on my parents' phone bill. The guy who ran it called himself "Yohannon." As far as I know, he had drifted away from the scene by the time I was old enough to get directly involved ten years later.

Some heroic tech history bro has uploaded the archives of every single USENET group to the Internet Archive, including alt.sex.fat and alt.sex.weight-gain. Problem is, the archives also contain gigabytes of spam from the late 1990s (along with the rise of the Web, spam was what killed USENET) so they're almost impossible to sift through.

I'm an academic who works with archival papers, and I've seriously contemplated trying to track down and collect rare pre-Internet feedist stuff for eventual donation to a university "history of sexuality" collection. Only thing that keeps me from doing it is that my partner is fat but not a feedist and this stuff makes her uncomfortable. If any of you old heads still have ink-and-paper feeder and fat lib stuff from back in the day, find a good home for it!

>>12413

The more I think about it, the more sure I am that somebody working on Porky's Romance had a fat fetish. Here's how I imagine it going down in the writer's room:

"Okay boys, we need cartoon ideas for this new Petunia Pig. The theme is hapless romance. Yes, Johnson I see your hand?"

"What if she's really fat!"

"So... she gets really fat? And Porky hates it?"

"Yeah. Like 400 pounds. All from laying on the couch eating candy."

"Okay... I think I see where you're going with this. Porky marries her when she's skinny and attractive, then is stuck with her when she's fat and lazy. Anybody else..."

"And they have lots of sex!"

"Come again, Johnson?"

"Yeah, she's a total sex addict. She makes Porky sex her all the time while she eats the candy! Which Porky totally hates and stuff!"

"Johnson... this is a children's cartoon. They're not going to have sex."

"We could imply it!"

"Go on..."

"Okay so, we show them check into a hotel on their wedding night, wink, wink, then in the cutaway they have like 25 babies!"

"Um... we could probably do that. Does Porky have to take care of the babies?"

"Oh yes! Porky does all the work while his big sexy... uh, ugly spoiled wife eats his candy and bosses him around for more sex. It's just dreadful!"

"Anything else from you, Johnson?"

"Ooh yeah! The kids are loud, and Petunia doesn't like that. So she sits on top of Porky while eating even more candy! And Porky's all squashed up under her big round butt. He can barely even breathe! And he hates it!"

"Um... how about she hits him with a rolling pin."

"...I guess."

"Alright, it's perfect! Let's get to work!"

>>12413

Porky's Romance is feeder porn and also "red pilled," lol. I wasn't into Looney Tunes and had never seen Pigs Is Pigs until learning about it from people who share this kink, but it was definitely the Passion Patties of its generation for the Boomers and Xers who saw it as a kid.

>>12392

>The 50s and 60s USA sound like a frigid time for anyone with even the mildest sexual preference.

It's pretty interesting that if you look at pop culture from the 1920s and 1930s, it's a lot wiser and more tolerant about human sexuality than stuff from the postwar period. This is true even in cartoons (today there would be outraged Youtubes about how Porky's Romance is problematic MRA propaganda) but it's especially true in pre-Code Hollywood films and in jazz music. Even LGBT stuff was a lot more openly present back then.

The 1950s in the USA really were an outlier in human history, as an attempt to force everyone into (or, to be more charitable, to give everyone access to) a particular model of what adult human life should look like.

>Our boys went overseas to beat the Krauts and Japs, and dadgummit, they deserve a nice apron-wearing housewife and 2.5 kids in a ranch house in suburbia. Whaddya mean you don't want to live like that? Are you some kind of commie, or one of those beatniks?

>>12418

I want to believe.

Because I am a 1930s history sperg, in my headcanon this 1930s Hollywood animator is a disillusioned former Communist who's also working on a passion project that's an animated short about how Stalin betrayed the Spanish Republic.

>>12417
>I had no idea that this stuff was showing up in mainstream porn mags that far back.

"Chubby chasing" was an acknowledged kink and feedism went right along with it, natch. The mag I'm talking about definitely wasn't PH Forum. It was a skanky Hustler ripoff that was mostly pics. They ran all 4 stories together as a kind of "kink corner" thing with a garish illustration alongside it. Like "Look at this weird-ass shit!" while knowing a solid minority of readers was digging at least one of the stories.

You probably know but for the young'uns Gent magazine was a big boob mag going back to the 1960s. Because big boobs often show up on big girls, they'd run the occasional BBW spread and get a frothing response from it. At one point in the 80s they ran a "plumpers and big women" special issue and it was a huge (npi) hit and I think it became an annual thing. That eventually peeled off into Plumpers and Big Women magazine in the 90s.

>usenet
I was never a techie, my internet entry was AOL but you could access usenet groups through them. It was fun because of the novelty — porn delivered straight to your home! — but imagine waiting 2-5 minutes for a single photo to load.

>yohannon
I never interacted with him but in the early days of online Dimensions he was a topic of conversation and had his own blog-like site. He was rabidly anti-feeder and accused Conrad (Blickenstorfer, founder of Dimensions) of being one, and sponsoring feedism on his site. I only checked out Yohannon's site a few times but the rants were pretty epic.

I have no idea about CB's personal tastes but Dims definitely enabled it. The first incarnation of the dimensionsmagazine.com chat board was called "The Weight Room" and there was a pay-per-image section of the site called the 500 Club that had two models die in fairly quick succession. Most of the lit I remember from that period had a WG theme (still does, really).

IMO Dims lost it when there was a rebellion among several female shut-ins (who spent 9-18 hours a day on the site) to purge it of all WG/feeder/etc fans, material, and even the "live and let live" types who weren't necessarily into it.

>>12420
>I want to believe.

I know you're joking but this was pretty much the entire USA pre-1941 — you didn't have to be a disillusioned Commie. Stalin was seen as an equal if not greater threat than Hitler throughout the 1930s. In fact more Americans than we care to admit were looking forward to the US allying with Hitler to kill off Communism, as well as broadly agreeing with fascism, white supremacy, etc.

This is incredibly fascinating. Out of interest, who were the 2 models from the 500 club who died in quick succession ?

>>12432

>He was rabidly anti-feeder and accused Conrad (Blickenstorfer, founder of Dimensions) of being one, and sponsoring feedism on his site. I only checked out Yohannon's site a few times but the rants were pretty epic.

Thanks, that jogs my memory. I had a vague memory of Yohannon being controversial for some reason but couldn't remember why. (Since his BBS was based in San Fran I thought I might be getting him mixed up in my memory with Tim Yohannon, another controversial Bay Area name that aging counterculture heads might remember.)

The original Dimensions stories section was epic. That's one thing I really do miss, having a single centralized location for realistic WG stories. DeviantArt has no way to easily browse written text, and nowadays you have to sort through mountains of fanfic for franchises you don't care about. StudioFA is the GOAT for both art and fiction as far as I'm concerned.

>IMO Dims lost it when there was a rebellion among several female shut-ins (who spent 9-18 hours a day on the site) to purge it of all WG/feeder/etc fans, material, and even the "live and let live" types who weren't necessarily into it.

Lol, this happened right when I was most active in the scene. It was a real shitshow, and you're right, it was the beginning of the end for Dims as a functional community. Dims had a vocal clique of mean-spirited older women who used it primarily as a social site and were actively opposed to the sexual aspect of the community. They felt like they "owned" the forums because they spent so much time there. One day they dug up a story in the weight room with a high school aged protagonist and threatened Conrad with accusations of "enabling pedophilia" if he didn't give in to their demands. I think at that point he had been running the site for over a decade and was getting bored with it, so he didn't put up much resistance and let them burn the site down.

It was a big eye opener for me about the sociology of Internet communities and how people who feel lonely and powerless in their everyday lives can turn into petty tyrants when they get a little bit of moderation power.

>>12309 (OP)
>I feel like gaining has become a much larger subfetish in the scene than it was like 10 or 15 years ago.
I would go so far as to say that 'Feeder' and 'Feedee' have sort of begun to supplant 'Fat Admirer' as key identifiers for those who're into this fetish. 'FA' is old hat; I rarely see people use that term to describe themselves anymore. It always seemed kind of weird and creepy to me too, speaking as someone who first got internet access as a teenager in the mid to late 2000s. Some of you might disagree with me, but feederism isn't so much a subfetish as it is the fetish at its most essential; what passes for 'BBW' is functionally indistinguishable from 'thick' nowadays. While I think this is overall a positive development (as noted by >>12312 , we can talk about more openly about previously taboo subjects); the downside of this is that one gets the impression that newcomers to the 'scene' are constantly expected to eat themselves to an early grave. It's really bizarre seeing every thread get bumped by someone asking the question: "Is she still gaining?" It's almost like the inverse of longstanding issues in the fashion/modeling industry where you have women starving themselves to meet what are ultimately unrealistic body standards.

>>12420
okay, somebody has to write this now

>>12420
I don't know if any animators were active in the John Reed Clubs, much less the American Artists' Congress that succeeded it. Most scholarship on communist artists in America from the 1920s through 1950s gets pretty sketchy the further you get away from New York; it's really unfortunate because both had chapters nationwide. On an unrelated note: I always thought the Nazino affair would make for a great vore story; I'm talking like an incredibly dark, smutty satire of western cold war soviet historiography. Could be interesting; very easy to go off the rails, though.

>>12507
You've heard of Herb Sorrell, right?

>>12512
Not in name, no. I've been meaning to read more about the 1941 Disney animators strike though. Now that I'm looking into it again, it seems like that wasn't all that was going on in terms of labor relations in the US animation industry back then, lol. I've read a bit about the Hollywood John Reed Club, but only from an art historical perspective (paintings, murals, etc).

>>12495

Agreed. Simply being into fat women is barely taboo anymore. Given the trajectory in average American weights (we don't even know the long term effects of COVID yet) what people consider fat today will probably be the default in ten years.

I still remember being a kid in the 90s, and having it unconsciously drilled into my head that fat women were unacceptable, with fat being defined for a woman as anything past 150lbs or so. Today the average woman weighs over 170 pounds, meaning only 25-30 percent of women today would be considered acceptably thin by standards of just 25 years ago.

The goalposts have already moved, and barring some major unforeseen countrywide shift in thinking, will keep moving. Like you said, the "fetish" part of this is already becoming the parts that were already more fringe: sexual attraction to 600-700 pound (superfat) women and fixation on feeding and gaining. I'd nwver even heard of "death feederism" until this past year but am starting to see it more and more.

Dating somebody whose 225 pounds? Yeah, she's a little bigger than average but not too out of the ordinary. Where wipl that number be in 2032?

>>12478
>The original Dimensions stories section was epic. That's one thing I really do miss, having a single centralized location for realistic WG stories. DeviantArt has no way to easily browse written text, and nowadays you have to sort through mountains of fanfic for franchises you don't care about. StudioFA is the GOAT for both art and fiction as far as I'm concerned.

I write myself (shameless plug: https://www.deviantart.com/mrwrong1) and find the site really frustrating for those reasons and others, but there's really no other comparable place. Curvage, FF, are worse with far less potential readership. Unfortunately I didn't have my shit together writing-wise back in the golden age of the Weight Room story board.

>Dims had a vocal clique of mean-spirited older women who used it primarily as a social site and were actively opposed to the sexual aspect of the community. They felt like they "owned" the forums because they spent so much time there.

I spent waaay too much time chatting in private notes with one of them, calmly and empathetically trying to explain that 1) I know RL manipulation — including feeding — is wrong but 2) there's such a thing as "fantasy" and it doesn't have to be moral or PC.

I argued that as long as it's segregated and properly labeled, no one ran the risk of stumbling across it and being thus triggered (triggering not being a named concept at the time). If you remember, the feedist stuff was not just in its own folder but its own sub-folder with a huge warning, like it was literary plutonium. But that wasn't enough, it was like the Christian thing where improper thought was as bad as improper action... guys like me were basically rapists and that was that.

>It was a big eye opener for me about the sociology of Internet communities and how people who feel lonely and powerless in their everyday lives can turn into petty tyrants when they get a little bit of moderation power.

Mos def. I didn't belong to any other forums like that at the time — politics or hobbies or whatever — but feel like I definitely got a preview of the social media apocalypse we're going through now.

>>12507
>>12515

My interest in CPUSA history is mostly from the perspective of intellectual history, so I always forget that the John Reed Clubs were active in the visual arts too. This post made by Partisan Review gang I don't actually know that much about whether there was a CP presence in animation, but John Hubley, who's the father of Georgia Hubley from Yo La Tengo, was an animator who got blacklisted for refusing to name names.

This book might be relevant to your interests: https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520303621/frame-by-frame

>>12521

>I didn't belong to any other forums like that at the time — politics or hobbies or whatever — but feel like I definitely got a preview of the social media apocalypse we're going through now.

Yep. This was my first exposure to Extremely Online people who didn't actually want to have good faith conversation about a sensitive topic, they just wanted to play clique politics on the website they used to fill the emotional void in their lives. Two decades later, Twitter is that website and it "drives the national conversation" in the culture industries. What a world!

>>12518
>I still remember being a kid in the 90s, and having it unconsciously drilled into my head that fat women were unacceptable, with fat being defined for a woman as anything past 150lbs or so.
This reminds me of when I was in high school just over a decade ago one of the 'preppy' girls was crying to her friends that her 'jock' boyfriend had the audacity to ask her to gain weight. That's right, gain; not lose. There was also a fat couple who got made fun after word got around that they experimented with navel play. The goalposts are moving but in a very uneven manner; this is to be expected. Speaking of countrywide shifts in thinking: I can't help but feel things like plant-based meat are treated as nothing more than fads in the fast food industry. I seriously wonder if in vitro / cultured meat will ever take off; and if it does, will it be able to meet the growing demand of an increasingly fattened populace? I guess if the Heart Attack Grill ever turns into a chain restaurant, that'll really indicate that we're living in a Dredd-verse story.
>>12523
>so I always forget that the John Reed Clubs were active in the visual arts too
Really? The JRCs and AAC were incredibly active the in the visual arts, lol; I don't know how you could miss that. The history of mid-century American modern art is a history of artists being compelled to cede their newfound status as wage laborers (after the Works Progress Administration was formally dissolved in 1943), and reenter the art market once again as self-employed artists. That's a big reason why the shift to styles like Abstract Expressionism was so sudden. Expanding federal arts patronage allowed the US government to seize control of the art market away from private dealers and collectors for a good ten to fifteen years. They employed tens of thousands of artists and set up dozens of community art centers across the country. This was a defining feature of the FDR administration; so much to the point that CPUSA-adjacent artists actually found themselves organizing the Artists' Union to fight for better wages in the WPA. It's this concept of the 'artist as wage laborer' that I'm really interested in; as well as the transition to covert arts funding through front organizations like the Congress for Cultural Freedom by the 1950s (so-called 'free enterprise painting', etc). When the ascendant post-war gallery system was making itself known, the House Un-American Activities Committee was really worried that modern art would be used as a weapon of communism like it was in continental Europe, but what they didn't understand is that most of CPUSA's cultural organizations were already scattered to the wind at that point; if only did they did more to cultivate formalist experimentation in the 1930s, they might've posed a credible threat!

I would highly suggest reading this if you can get a hold of a copy: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300092202/artists-left
>This book might be relevant to your interests: https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520303621/frame-by-frame
Hey that's been on my reading list for a while now, actually! Rest in peace, Hannah Frank; we could really use more materialist histories of art.

>>12564

>Really? The JRCs and AAC were incredibly active the in the visual arts, lol; I don't know how you could miss that.

Heh, fair enough. My initial interest was literary modernism, and from there I shifted to intellectual history, so I'm not actually that up on 1930s visual culture. My knowledge of the JRCs basically begins and ends with Partisan Review and that one Richard Wright essay. (Plus I'm a generation older than you, if you were in high school a decade ago, and my knowledge is all pretty musty at this point. I have a day job in academia, but I'm not a prof or doing anything related to my field. I'm sure you know this already, but if you're a humanities Ph.D. student and you're not independently wealthy, just... uh... have a backup plan, okay?)

Hannah was a personal acquaintance of mine, her death was a real shock. Everyone who knew her expected her to become a superstar.

>tfw talking academia on the fatty porn site

>>12564

And cool research topic, btw.

>>12515
Herb Sorrell was a convenient punching-bag for everybody from Walt Disney to Ronald Reagan.

Roy Disney even had to fly Walt out of the country (to South America) during the 1941 strike just to get the strike settled! Walt later named Sorrell to HUAC.

lol I really didn't expect this to turn into a discussion thread about communists in the entertainment industry in the 1930s

I also really appreciate all the inside takes on the decline and fall of Dims. That's always been a little hard for me to figure out from the outside, so it's nice to hear from people who experienced it.

>>12495
>>12518
Now this is really where I hoped this thread would go. Very interested that some of you agree that feedism has cannibalized "fat admiration" in general. I definitely agree that the term FA seems to have fallen out of fashion. Hell, these days I'm more likely to see something like "fatsexual" instead, though in my head I can still hear a BBC documentary voice over saying something like, "Gerald identifies as a 'fat admirer.'" My guess is the term isn't totally gone, but well on its way out.

Why, though, do you think feedism has become some dominant, or even taken over the fetish? I don't even have good guesses about this.

Also agree that as people have gotten fatter, the upper limit on a "normal" or "acceptable" weight for a partner has also risen. There's some contradictory evidence, too, though. The incidence of eating disorders only seems to have increased over the past years and decades, despite the growing prominence of body positivity and fat lib. People are dieting as much or more than ever. Despite the outliers, celebs are still expected to maintain really thin figures. So, personally, I'm not as sure that the mainstream goalposts have moved. People are fatter, but body positivity hasn't lessened the pressures to be thin in general, it just coexists with them. So people are dealing with a set of contradictory messages they don't know how to resolve.

>>12582

>Why, though, do you think feedism has become some dominant, or even taken over the fetish? I don't even have good guesses about this.

I think that to some extent, feedism has always been around. If anything it was suppressed early on, and got more of a voice as content platforms became more open. The old haunts, which usually had a handful of owners, had less control of what was getting posted.

Keep in mind that Dimensions had a closed story board until the late 2000s. To get a story on their site, you had to work through a mod and get it peer reviewed. You were literally emailing somebody a story and they might publish it if they felt like it. Only a handful of feeder stories made the cut, notably "Judy's heaven of food" which was about as ridiculous as it sounds. If the site owner didn't like the story, it was out.

Fantasyfeeder has also been around for a long time, and they obviously played more to the feeder side of things (it's in the name). I don't remember when they started publishing stories though; it was always a shaky platform in that regard.

>people are dealing with a set of contradictory messages they don't know how to resolve.

You're right that the mainstream media stance on obesity hasn't changed much in terms of television and movies (if any thing fat people are represented LESS than they were in the 90s), but those forms of media have also lost influence over the last decade. I haven't had a cable subscription ever.

Where there's been change is in real life scenarios like department store messaging (go into a Target and you'll likely see pictures of larger women on the walls and plus sized mannequins), and in alternative forms of media like youtube, where content creators don't necessarily have to be what the mainstream media considers conventionally attractive. Cable is going to die a slow death with the boomers as I can't make any compelling argument to pay for it.

>>12585

>I think that to some extent, feedism has always been around. If anything it was suppressed early on, and got more of a voice as content platforms became more open. The old haunts, which usually had a handful of owners, had less control of what was getting posted. Keep in mind that Dimensions had a closed story board until the late 2000s. To get a story on their site, you had to work through a mod and get it peer reviewed.
This is a really good point, and it ties back to the earlier points about how social media has changed the community, too. It's a way of connecting the stories about a changing community and changing fantasies/desires (at least which ones are dominant).

>You're right that the mainstream media stance on obesity hasn't changed much in terms of television and movies (if any thing fat people are represented LESS than they were in the 90s), but those forms of media have also lost influence over the last decade. I haven't had a cable subscription ever. Where there's been change is in real life scenarios like department store messaging (go into a Target and you'll likely see pictures of larger women on the walls and plus sized mannequins), and in alternative forms of media like youtube, where content creators don't necessarily have to be what the mainstream media considers conventionally attractive. Cable is going to die a slow death with the boomers as I can't make any compelling argument to pay for it.

Another great point about media. Youtube and instagram have definitely changed the game here. But even though cable's going to die a slow death, some of the big telecoms and tv and movie studios have made their move into streaming, which seems like it's here to stay, and they may well continue to reinforce these older ideas. So my guess is the push and pull between influencers and big/old producers will continue for the foreseeable future.

Advertising does seem like the one place where the images have finally caught up with the reality of fatter bodies. And that doesn't seem likely to change anytime soon.

I'm expecting some of these opinions to be unpopular. Buckle up, boys...

>>12582
>Why, though, do you think feedism has become some dominant, or even taken over the fetish?
For the same reason dieting is happening more than ever: internet has brought us 'the spectacle'. Women these days will document their gaining and losing of weight on social media in exchange for fake internet points (a.k.a. likes) and comments, which boosts their ego. Whether it be "well done for losing all that weight, you look amazing" or "well done for gaining all that weight, you look amazing", the legion of 'support' seduces them. Praise is a dangerous drug.

On a psychological level, I think people like the gaining aspect now for the same reason inflation, MtF/FtM and animal TF are popular - the transformation/journey from 'normal' to niche can be intoxicating.

>>12582
>despite the growing prominence of body positivity and fat lib
1) Most of the 'body positivity' lobby are actually skinny. They put plus-size models up as figureheads, but the majority are skinny bitches. Effectively the skinny ones think they're the upper classes donating their wealth to charity, they like feeling that they're doing good, whether they believe in the cause or not.

2) Related to point 1, although the message of 'body positivity' is 'be nice to fat people' (and skinny minnies and shortstacks, but probably not men or 'the patriarchy', because male attractiveness/self-esteem doesn't register on their radar), that doesn't necessarily equate to more girls wanting to be fat. They preach that it's acceptable to be fat, but that doesn't make them want to be fat. They'll justify it as being their choice/preference, but for at least some of them it will be because secretly they actually do think fat people are disgusting and they're only hopping on board because it seems like a nice thing to do (and they care more about being seen to be nice than whether they actually believe in what they're helping to preach). It's a bit like how sometimes people with conservative views pretend to be liberal because they don't want to be 'cancelled', but in private they're far more conservative than they'd dare say in public. (Perhaps that applies certain kinds of extreme left too. It certainly applies some members of the alt right, who moderate their views to be 'acceptably conservative' in public.)

3) The media has the power to artificially inflate the importance of any group it chooses, to suit its own agendas. Media corporations and certain vocal groups have gone out of their way to draw disproportionately excessive attention to the 'movement' (which, like a lot of modern movements, is decentralised and has no core tenets or central figure uniting them).

Ultimately the movement doesn't tackle the root problem - people are just too obsessed with appearance in general. I mean, obviously we're going to be obsessed with it down here in the niche dungeon, that's what we do, but in general to be a well balanced individual people should care less about their appearance and more about who they are as an individual, by which I mean their interests, their skills and their personality, not what shape or colour their body is. The body is merely a vessel for the real person - the complex electro-chemical process we call the mind (or 'soul' if you really must).

>>12569
>My initial interest was literary modernism, and from there I shifted to intellectual history, so I'm not actually that up on 1930s visual culture
Interesting development! Yeah they used to host exhibitions at the Whitney Museum and ACA Gallery. There was even a 'John Reed Club School of Art' that briefly existed as well. I've found that it's hard to learn anything about the history of American modern art without reading some interest factoids about CPUSA-adjacent involvement. There's very little talk about that, and the actual ''transition' to AbEx; I think the Partisan Review factors into this somehow.
>Plus I'm a generation older than you, if you were in high school a decade ago, and my knowledge is all pretty musty at this point
Well the book I linked came out in 2002; it's never been reprinted and has since been paywalled behind institutional access, which pisses me off to no end.
>I'm sure you know this already, but if you're a humanities Ph.D. student and you're not independently wealthy, just... uh... have a backup plan, okay?
Haha I've been a NEET for a couple years; I don't even have an MA yet. I haven't fully pursued this research topic because I know I don't have a backup plan. I would love to, though.
>Hannah was a personal acquaintance of mine, her death was a real shock. Everyone who knew her expected her to become a superstar.
That's surprising, my condolences; yeah I remember reading similar sentiments when I first came across her posthumous book. It looks really interesting; I'll move it up the list.
>>12573
>And cool research topic, btw.
Thanks.
>>12581
More lines of inquiry; I'll read more about this later. Thanks for the info!

>>12607
Also, look up Milicent Patrick. She worked on Chernabog AND designed the Creature from the Black Lagoon! She was one of the people at the Disney studio who didn't strike, along with Marcellite Garner.

Art Babbitt (whom I'm sure you've heard of) DID strike, and was fucked over by Disney for doing so after Disney was forced to rehire him following the strike.

And something else I've picked up on recently -- just how many people who came with Disney from the Kansas City area to Hollywood and branched out to make an impact in animation even outside Disney -- Iwerks, Ising, Freleng, Harman, and Carl Stalling, to name a few! Not to mention the East Coast folks who also came West...

>>12582
>I definitely agree that the term FA seems to have fallen out of fashion [...] My guess is the term isn't totally gone, but well on its way out.
I rarely see the term outside of what legacy forums already mentioned. I think as the 'scene' has grown larger and less confined to these spaces, fewer and fewer people have felt the need to use it as an identifier. There isn't like, a singular fetish vanguard carefully curating what is and isn't acceptable; things have become much more fluid. Again, this has its pros and cons; it's super common for new models to go dark after months in the 'scene' nowadays, which is perfectly fine—whereas some women who started out in the late 2000s / early 2010s might feel pigeonholed into sticking around.
>Why, though, do you think feedism has become some dominant, or even taken over the fetish? I don't even have good guesses about this.
Perhaps it's a way for the fetish to retain its niche quality? As >>12432 inferred, talk of 'chubby chasing' in general usually comes with the implication of gaining; but it's never been very explicit. Anyone who's revealed their fetish to their SO have danced around this before. You don't wanna tell your girl to gain weight anymore than she ought to lose, right? I've always hated this; it's much easier to frame it as a kink. From there you can draw parallels with BDSM subculture.
>>12595
>I think people like the gaining aspect now for the same reason inflation, MtF/FtM and animal TF are popular - the transformation/journey from 'normal' to niche can be intoxicating.
I wouldn't say it's the same so much as it is similar; trans folk have a vested interest in documenting their transition. It isn't a kink or fetish for them.
>Most of the 'body positivity' lobby are actually skinny. They put plus-size models up as figureheads, but the majority are skinny bitches.
This is something I've noticed as well. A lot of plus-size fashion influencers (and the companies that emerged to support them within the past decade) still largely conform to 'thin' beauty standards. On the one hand, this is great, it's encouraged a lot of fat women to take better care of themselves by adopting more hygienic practices. But on the other hand, it feels quite limiting. I'm a belly guy; I would love to see fat women wear crop tops and not be ridiculed, but that's still a thing! Fat shaming is still so widespread; most plus size fashion articles go out of their way to hide the belly too. Without a belly you have curves; with a belly you're deemed 'unshapely'—a slob covered in fast food wrappers. I've argued with people who bitched and moaned at the slightest paunch before; it's very frustrating.
>probably not men [...] because male attractiveness/self-esteem doesn't register on their radar
Have you ever visited male bodybuilding forums? Not just /fit/ but like, actual phpBB style forums; they're full of some of the most toxic people I've ever met online. It's rare for BHMs to register on people's radars outside of the gay community. I used to see strongfat Tom of Finland types on tumblr in the mid 2010s; all that history is gone now.

>>12595
>Most of the 'body positivity' lobby are actually skinny.
>>12609
>This is something I've noticed as well. A lot of plus-size fashion influencers (and the companies that emerged to support them within the past decade) still largely conform to 'thin' beauty standards.

It wasn't always this way. Body positivity really started out as a movement among fat people to counteract the negative stigma around fatness. But because it became so widespread, and because ambiguity in the wording meant it could mean different things to different people, it became coopted by brands or by skinny influencers who just "feel fat" sometimes. And so fat activists shifted to other terms like "fat positivity" or "fat liberation" that would be harder to coopt.

>>12582
>>12609

>Why, though, do you think feedism has become some dominant, or even taken over the fetish? I don't even have good guesses about this.

>Perhaps it's a way for the fetish to retain its niche quality? As >>12432 inferred, talk of 'chubby chasing' in general usually comes with the implication of gaining; but it's never been very explicit. Anyone who's revealed their fetish to their SO have danced around this before. You don't wanna tell your girl to gain weight anymore than she ought to lose, right? I've always hated this; it's much easier to frame it as a kink. From there you can draw parallels with BDSM subculture.

I think there's something to this. As an older guy who's known he was a feedist since before there was a word for it, I always felt a little bit skeptical of guys who claimed to be into SSBBWs but totally not into feedism, not even one little bit. I guess I can imagine that being true, but eroticized gluttony and weight gain fantasies are such a deep part of my own desire for a fat partner that I've always wondered if some guys who claimed not to like it were actually downplaying or repressing it, out of embarrassment, or (justified) fear of being seen as a creepy fetishist. That dynamic is still very much there if you're dating fat women in real life, but at this point feedism is out there as a "known" erotic content niche, so there's less need to beat around the bush when it comes to seeking out porn.

>>12585

>Keep in mind that Dimensions had a closed story board until the late 2000s. To get a story on their site, you had to work through a mod and get it peer reviewed. You were literally emailing somebody a story and they might publish it if they felt like it. Only a handful of feeder stories made the cut, notably "Judy's heaven of food" which was about as ridiculous as it sounds. If the site owner didn't like the story, it was out.

Your chronology is a little garbled here. The original Dimensions Weight Room was a static HTML page updated weekly, posting stories that had been found elsewhere on the Web/USENET or emailed to the webmaster, who didn't exercise much editorial control. The writing could be primitive but there was plenty of extreme (for the time) weight gain content there. Here's a representative Wayback snapshot from 2001: https://web.archive.org/web/20001206073500/http://dimensionsmagazine.com/Weight_Room/stories.html

Meanwhile, the Dimensions Forums had been running on an ultra-primitive 1990s CGI-BIN script, basically just a text-only webpage that you could "post" to via a form. At some point in the mid-2000s they upgraded to modern message board software. As part of that move, Dims began a never-completed project to migrate all the Weight Room stories to the new forum, I think with the expectation that Conrad would eventually retire the static HTML portion of the site. During this migration they started editing the existing stories, initially just for grammar and spelling, but eventually exercising more editorial control based on the tastes of the volunteer moderators of the stories forum. That's when new stories started having to pass "peer review" by the mods.

For whatever reason, the mod staff's tastes tended towards long character-driven serial stories without explicit sex, resulting in a million pointless and boring (to my tastes) 150-episode serials about roommates slowly gaining weight together. Because they were already uncomfortable posting stuff that was too explicit, and exercising a lot of editorial control over what got shared in the stories forum, they didn't have much of a leg to stand on when the Great Spinster War kicked off and they were accused of being pedo enablers. They went on a frantic deletion binge to purge the stories board of anything even potentially controversial. Even background characterization statements like "ever since she was a girl, Becky had wanted to get fat" were verboten.

Meanwhile, people just looking for a fap wanted continued access to the original Weight Room stories, so Conrad ended up keeping it online as a no longer updated static webpage right up until he sold the forums.

The Weight Board still technically exists but at this point it's been a ghost town for over a decade. I check in every couple months to see if anything new and interesting has been posted and the answer is always "no."

>>12595

>Most of the 'body positivity' lobby are actually skinny. They put plus-size models up as figureheads, but the majority are skinny bitches. Effectively the skinny ones think they're the upper classes donating their wealth to charity, they like feeling that they're doing good, whether they believe in the cause or not.

The ugly truth.

>>12582
>>12609

>Why, though, do you think feedism has become some dominant, or even taken over the fetish? I don't even have good guesses about this.

>Perhaps it's a way for the fetish to retain its niche quality? As >>12432 inferred, talk of 'chubby chasing' in general usually comes with the implication of gaining; but it's never been very explicit. Anyone who's revealed their fetish to their SO have danced around this before. You don't wanna tell your girl to gain weight anymore than she ought to lose, right? I've always hated this; it's much easier to frame it as a kink. From there you can draw parallels with BDSM subculture.

I think there's something to this. As an older guy who's known he was a feedist since before there was a word for it, I always felt a little bit skeptical of guys who claimed to be into SSBBWs but totally not into feedism, not even one little bit. I guess I can imagine that being true, but eroticized gluttony and weight gain fantasies are such a deep part of my own desire for a fat partner that I've always wondered if some guys who claimed not to like it were actually downplaying or repressing it, out of embarrassment, or (justified) fear of being seen as a creepy fetishist. That dynamic is still very much there if you're dating fat women in real life, but at this point feedism is out there as a "known" erotic content niche, so there's less need to beat around the bush when it comes to seeking out porn.

>>12585

>Keep in mind that Dimensions had a closed story board until the late 2000s. To get a story on their site, you had to work through a mod and get it peer reviewed. You were literally emailing somebody a story and they might publish it if they felt like it. Only a handful of feeder stories made the cut, notably "Judy's heaven of food" which was about as ridiculous as it sounds. If the site owner didn't like the story, it was out.

Your chronology is a little garbled here. The original Dimensions Weight Room was a static HTML page updated weekly, posting stories that had been found elsewhere on the Web/USENET or emailed to the webmaster, who didn't exercise much editorial control. The writing could be primitive but there was plenty of extreme (for the time) weight gain content there. Here's a representative Wayback snapshot from 2001: https://web.archive.org/web/20001206073500/http://dimensionsmagazine.com/Weight_Room/stories.html

Meanwhile, the Dimensions Forums had been running on an ultra-primitive 1990s CGI-BIN script, basically just a text-only webpage that you could "post" to via a form. At some point in the mid-2000s they upgraded to modern message board software. As part of that move, Dims began a never-completed project to migrate all the Weight Room stories to the new forum, I think with the expectation that Conrad would eventually retire the static HTML portion of the site. During this migration they started editing the existing stories, initially just for grammar and spelling, but eventually exercising more editorial control based on the tastes of the volunteer moderators of the stories forum. That's when new stories started having to pass "peer review" by the mods.

For whatever reason, the mod staff's tastes tended towards long character-driven serial stories without explicit sex, resulting in a million pointless and boring (to my tastes) 150-episode serials about roommates slowly gaining weight together. Because they were already uncomfortable posting stuff that was too explicit, and exercising a lot of editorial control over what got shared in the stories forum, they didn't have much of a leg to stand on when the Great Spinster War kicked off and they were accused of being pedo enablers. They went on a frantic deletion binge to purge the stories board of anything even potentially controversial. Even background characterization statements like "ever since she was a girl, Becky had wanted to get fat" were verboten.

Meanwhile, people just looking for a fap wanted continued access to the original Weight Room stories, so Conrad ended up keeping it online as a no longer updated static webpage right up until he sold the forums.

The Weight Board still technically exists but at this point it's been a ghost town for over a decade. I check in every couple months to see if anything new and interesting has been posted and the answer is always "no."

>>12582

>lol I really didn't expect this to turn into a discussion thread about communists in the entertainment industry in the 1930s

Lol, sorry about that. The opportunity to geek out about my weird antiquarian hobby worthless humanities degree autistic niche focus area of academic expertise is too tempting not to take up. Funny to run into other people interested in this stuff on bbw-chan of all places. This is a great on-topic discussion thread, so to avoid derailing it further I've started a separate thread and replied there: >>12633 (Cross-thread)

>>12632
>The Weight Board still technically exists but at this point it's been a ghost town for over a decade. I check in every couple months to see if anything new and interesting has been posted and the answer is always "no."

The Weight Board as such is indeed a bit of a wasteland, but there are still some good feedist stories that show up in the Library. They're the exceptions that prove the rule, of course, but they're there. Anything by Marlow, for example, really stands out

>>12582
>>12609
>>12632

Seems like the debate here is whether feedists have displaced non-feedist FAs in the mainstream of this kink, or whether we were all feedists all along, but more than ever finally feel safe to say so out loud. Who knows, right? Probably a little bit of both. I think the fact that the public norm has changed in this way is probably the most interesting thing.

>>12637
>Seems like the debate here is whether feedists have displaced non-feedist FAs in the mainstream of this kink, or whether we were all feedists all along, but more than ever finally feel safe to say so out loud. Who knows, right? Probably a little bit of both. I think the fact that the public norm has changed in this way is probably the most interesting thing.
Here's where I come in as someone with no knowledge of the past whatsoever, maybe a decade worth of it and as a legal adult about 3.5 years (I'm 21). I've dated girls all over the half plus seven spectrum and most fat, some thin - oldest was a 25 year old that put on like 50 lbs in 2 years, youngest was a chubby 18 that was just over 200 lbs.

Girls, even those that don't mind being chubby, tend to be reticent about their weight and are slightly unwilling to gain. This is in part because a lot of them always were chubby and that directly led to a ton of bullying in the late 2000s and early 2010s, especially on the women that tends towards alt and nerd interests in the early 2010s (note: I'm convinced that most of the girls I've dated are autistic in some way or form).

The end result? You've a lot of girls that are ok with being chubby, but still found it really awkward when someone is horny for them outside of typical big boobs/ass/thighs behavior, and the gulf between being ok with being fat and being ok with fat as a sexual thing is still pretty big. Granted, I know absolutely jack shit.

>>12609
>I wouldn't say it's the same so much as it is similar;
Are you trying to suggest that weight gaining is more a lifestyle choice than smething erotic?

>I would love to see fat women wear crop tops and not be ridiculed,
This isn't quite what I was thinking about, but now you mention it, I've noticed this too. It's especially noticeable with swimwear, when skinny models get to show off their waist and plus size models are forced to cover their navel.

It's especially hypocritical when men are allowed to wander around with their gut hanging out. (I'm hardly a women's lib type, but even I can see that's blatant sexism.)

>Have you ever visited male bodybuilding forums?
Fortunately not. I've met some male gymrats in real life, seen that their brain patterns amount to "all must be swole", i.e. it's some kind of religion, and then vowed never to step in a gym unless it's life or death.

>they're full of some of the most toxic people I've ever met
I have no doubt.

>It's rare for BHMs to register on people's radars outside of the gay community.
I'm sure I've seen women admit to being chubby chasers before, but it's undoubtedly rare. (For them to speak it, if not think it.)

>>12613
>But because it became so widespread, and because ambiguity in the wording meant it could mean different things to different people, it became coopted by brands or by skinny influencers who just "feel fat" sometimes.
The curse of social media and the virtue signalling era. I miss when honesty, discussion and compromise were virtues instead of this 'branded virtue' - suggesting that virtues are treated like drinks or clothing brands that people like to be seen using.

>by skinny influencers who just "feel fat" sometimes
Another modern curse - being unable to tell the difference from feeling and reality. Like phantom limb syndrome.

Early millennial here, to just echo what other people have already said, I remember when BBW was a gag at Spencer's, and I kept trying to work up the nerve to buy a joke card with a big fat lady in lingerie on it, but I never did. When I was playing baseball in maybe middle school I made a buddy whose mother was a BBW and would openly eat a lot at games, his dad was a pretty skinny guy, so looking back, I've always wondered if maybe they were a proto-feeder couple. "Coop"(pic-rel)was pretty popular in alternative circles and he drew probably the first intentionally hot cartoons of fat/curvy women that I remember ever seeing. I remember going on Dimensions and reading the stories because the photos tended to look like my mom's friends and that was a bit weird for me, but with the stories I could fill in however I liked. Feeder.co.uk was absolutely mind-blowing to me, I really liked that site a lot more than Dims. When Fantasy Feeder came along I was shocked to be able to possibly meet up with girls who might share my interests or at least were game for indulging in them because it seemed like feedee content came from such a small, niche thing, does anyone remember "Brooke"? Young blonde Canadian gainer, I'd never seen a woman until then that was near(er) my age and into gaining.

>>12643
Lol, I'm fairly sure my "alt" wife who is ok with gaining is autistic, you might be onto something there. As for being weird about us sexualizing bellies and other non-standard areas, I can kinda get it, if a woman was really into my forearm hair I wouldn't be unnerved, but if she really liked my hairy toes I might be.

>>12650
Forgot pics

>>12650
I've met my girlfriends in record stores, musty punk shows in someone's basement, minor league hockey games, anime conventions and board game events, so honestly the autism might be completely unrelated here.

>>12649
>Are you trying to suggest that weight gaining is more a lifestyle choice than smething erotic?
It's something erotic that very easily becomes a lifestyle choice. No-one is necessarily assigned obese at-birth. I view 'stuffing / gaining' in a similar way to how bodybuilders chase the 'pump'—it's fun to show off your vascular, swollen muscles for the same reason why it's fun to show off your stretch marks and belly bloat. I see people complain about models looking 'deflated' all the time and it really irks me; if they had their way, these women would be stuffed 24/7!
>It's especially noticeable with swimwear, when skinny models get to show off their waist and plus size models are forced to cover their navel.
This is a big reason why I've become an ardent defender of piercings here. Navel piercings on an exposed, fat belly is one of the hottest things ever imo.
>It's especially hypocritical when men are allowed to wander around with their gut hanging out.
I'm reminded of the 'Beijing Belly' phenomenon, lol.
>seen that their brain patterns amount to "all must be swole",
That's kinda hot, though! It's like the inverse of feedist fantasies of getting big at all costs; the more 'religious' types, again, tend to be obsessed with doing things 'natty' (or looking 'shapely'). If you wanna giant, walking slab of meat then be my guest.
>I'm sure I've seen women admit to being chubby chasers before, but it's undoubtedly rare. (For them to speak it, if not think it.)
Yeah I've definitely noticed an uptick in women artists in recent years, but very few who specialize in hetero BHM stuff.

>>12643
>the gulf between being ok with being fat and being ok with fat as a sexual thing is still pretty big

Hard agree. Like where the size acceptance movement has come a long way is in convincing fat people that they should publicly stand up for their right to be treated with dignity and respect, etc. But many or most of those same fat people still think or feel there's something wrong with being fat, that it still means that they're lazy or unhealthy or ugly or whatever. At best they tolerate it, at worst try to get smaller. But the idea that being fat is actively good or valuable, or that someone (let alone them) should be into the idea of getting fatter? A step too far for most!

>>12659
*If you wanna be a giant, walking slab of meat

>>12652

> anime conventions
>board game events
>the autism might be completely unrelated here.

Uhhhhh

>>12667
Unrelated to the fat, that is, should've been clearer.

One thing that's been helping along the increasing desensitization to higher weights and the surge of "death feedism" stuff lately has to be My 600 LB Life. It wasn't too long ago that seeing any 400+ pound people on TV was confined to the occasional daytime talkshow appearance and the couple 400+ contestants on a season of The Biggest Loser. For more than 10 years now the show has basically redefined people's concept of ultrafat and likely raised the bar needed to shock someone by their sheer size. I've read comments on the subreddit and some other places of some viewers complaining that the people in the lower 600s aren't interesting at all to them anymore, it's basically been a paradigm shift.

At the same time, it has also (forcefully) exposed viewers to the medical & hygiene issues these people face and I think that the recentish rise of "death feedism" is closely linked to it, especially to the newer generation stumbling into this stuff for who the two are probably a bit closer linked since to them this is just how ultrafat people have always been presented to them.

My first exposure to ssbbws was this calendar my uncle kept in his garage. It was full of (probably) some late 90's early 00's ssbbw models. I've been searching or it for years but have never been able to find it. Anyone ever seen this calendar?? If I remember correctly it had red and yellow coloring and one of the months was 3-4 ssbbws by a pool.

>>12744
I think I saw something like that back in the day. It was a joke item in Spencer's Gifts.

>>12745
thank you that was an awesome lead

that calendar definitely wasn't a joke to me though, here I am 18 years later on bbwchan jerking off to 500lb women

In the past the focus was more on fat women becoming SSBBWs, rather than the current trend of women going from thin to smallfat. The fetish wasn't satured with sex workers back then either.

>>12746
There was a company called Rockshots in the 80s-90s who put out a bunch of stuff like what you're describing. Greeting cards, calendars, and posters, with SSBBW models and jokey captions. They featured Teighlor, Layla LaShelle, and a bunch of other models who were in BUF, porn, Bountiful Productions videos and other places. Some great models who were exclusive to them, too. The vibe was fun and sexy, with mild fat jokes — 100% my jam.

The first time I saw Rockshots stuff was in the late 80s, a store called (irony abounds) Balloon Salloon in downtown NYC, a party supply store that's still there. They had a huge display, a bunch of stuff in the window and more inside. It was better than BUF or any other fat chick erotica I'd seen, and I wanted to buy everything in there... I was a teenager at the time, and I'd bought BBW porn already, but buying a stack of fat lady stuff from a "regular" store was just too embarrassing. I picked up a couple of greeting cards that first time, then went back a few more times and bought more.

Later (early 90s) they advertised in Dimensions (print) magazine and I ordered a calendar and so on.

>>12742
I think you're completely right. My personal theory, which I'll never be able to prove, is that feedism as we know it is a reaction against the dominant cultural norms of society, that the reason we find fatness and gaining hot is exactly because they break the rules that say people need to be thin and to diet. I suspect that the charge and the thrill of our fetish comes precisely from doing what we're not "supposed" to do. It's countercultural, on a subconscious level. When models like Reenaye Starr talk about how a gaining fetish has helped them overcome a history of dieting and trauma, as a way of breaking free of the rules and taking back control, I only feel confirmed in my theory.

(That said, I don't think that fat sexuality in general _has_ to work that way. That's obviously not how it works in Mauritania, where fat women historically are the norm. I just think it's how it works in the parts of the world where thinness is prized.)

I say this because I think your observation is consistent with my theory. As the public norms around fatness change (as the threshold for "really fat" goes from 300lbs to 400lbs to 600lbs and higher), thanks to shows like My 600 LB life, the fetish changes, too, and we see things like death feedism arising and growing.

Does anyone still have any of those old Dimensions Wide Angle/Bountiful Productions VHS or DVDs or files, or are those completely lost to time?

I would love to see the two with Heather some day. They predate any of her site's videos to back when she first started modeling.

There's also some long lost appearances on Geraldo and Ricki Lake back when that was a thing. I remember when a BBW or SSBBW would come on those shows it completely blew my mind that women got that big. Back then it was not nearly as common.

For years I've been looking for old Dimensions magazine issues and they're near impossible to find as well. I wish I could have bought them all back when, but I was just a broke teenager then. If I could get them I'd be happy to scan them for all to enjoy.

>>12833

Great question, and unfortunately not one I kow the answer to. My guess is this stuff only continues to exist in people's private collections, but I wonder if the archivists in the thread know if there are any history of sexuality libraries out there that might have old Dims materials of one kind or another (I'm talking about >>12417)

>>12650

>I remember going on Dimensions and reading the stories because the photos tended to look like my mom's friends and that was a bit weird for me

Hahaha, yeah, that's totally it. SSBBW content in the 1990s was almost entirely older women in their 30s/40s/50, with outfits and haircuts that seemed outdated and less fashionable even then. Not that the 2000s scene girl look aged any better in retrospect, but it was a sea change when stylishly dressed girls my own age started showing up as models.

>Feeder.co.uk was absolutely mind-blowing to me, I really liked that site a lot more than Dims.

Shit, I totally forgot about that site. I just checked and it's on Wayback. Looking through their image gallery and I remember all those photos.

Do fat fetishist magazines still exist?

>>12340

> It's hard to stay a BBW porn star in the way that Layla Leshelle and Teighlor were able to do in the 80s/90s. With OnlyFans, stars can come and go instantly, at the whim of either the audience or the model.

To be fair, Teighlor didn’t really “stay” a porn star either. She did what like four scenes across a couple of years (Life In The Fat Lane, the one with Ron Jeremy, the one where she’s in prison and the lesbian one. Maybe there was one more).

But of course her name and photos kept turning up on video and DVD covers and my dumb ass kept buying them. They were either recycled scenes or she just straight up didn’t appear in the film at all lol. I remember the one with Eartha Quake that you’re talking about. That was called Much More To Love. From memory Eartha had a sex scene in that, but Teighlor didn’t. Together they introduced each scene and at one point they ate some food for a couple of minutes while some wack tuba sounding synthesiser played sustained notes over the top.

>>12941
>Hahaha, yeah, that's totally it. SSBBW content in the 1990s was almost entirely older women in their 30s/40s/50, with outfits and haircuts that seemed outdated and less fashionable even then. Not that the 2000s scene girl look aged any better in retrospect, but it was a sea change when stylishly dressed girls my own age started showing up as models.

Yeah for real. Largenlovely was a game changer for me. The first one I remember who was in her 20s and not some grandma with 80s hair

Damn you know what I remembered while skimming this thread? Ad banners for 1900 numbers on fat porn sites back in the day. That’s certainly one aspect of the fetish lost to time. I’m going to wayback machine some of my old favourites to see if those banners have been preserved.

>>12949

Classics

>>12742

>At the same time, it has also (forcefully) exposed viewers to the medical & hygiene issues these people face and I think that the recentish rise of "death feedism" is closely linked to it, especially to the newer generation stumbling into this stuff for who the two are probably a bit closer linked since to them this is just how ultrafat people have always been presented to them.

I never thought about this before, but it's an insightful point and I think you're right. Even the term "deathfeedism" is relatively new, I think I heard it for the first time maybe three or four years ago. M600PL is a wildly popular series that millions of normies watch for the grossout factor. I can't even imagine what it would be like to be my 11-year-old self, already having erotic feelings about obesity and weight gain, and that's what's available in popular culture.

(Now that there's a word for it, I like to incorporate some deathfeedist stuff into fantasies/RPs, although I would never want to do it in real life.)

>>12842

Not that I know of, unfortunately. A long time ago when "fat studies" was first taking off as an academic field I asked a well-known scholar if any archives were specifically collecting material related to the history of fat, and she said that there weren't. I haven't looked into the question recently, but I'd expect that by now at least a couple of academic libraries have started acquiring size acceptance and body positivity content as part of a general feminism/women's studies collecting mandate. Places like that would be indifferent if not actively hostile to collecting fetish material, though.

>>12747

>In the past the focus was more on fat women becoming SSBBWs, rather than the current trend of women going from thin to smallfat.

It's funny, sometimes people here will talk about models I haven't heard of as if they're these epic legendary gainers. Then I'll look them up and they're literally just girls who went from average-sized to slightly chubby. Sometimes it feels like BBW and SSBBW are really two separate kinks.

>The fetish wasn't satured with sex workers back then either.

Yeah, it makes me sad as an old timer to see how transactional exchanges have become the default mode of interaction around this fetish. I'm in a relationship and not looking for a partner, but I log in to Feabie once in a while to check out the scene, and it's pretty bleak.

I can understand how and why it happened. There are so many creepy and predatory guys out there that if you're a woman who actually does have the kink and wants to pursue it as a lifestyle, it probably makes more sense to monetize it from the beginning and treat all males as potential customers. And it's a shit economy for the working class, so if you're a fat woman who doesn't have the kink but could use the money, I can't knock the hustle. But still, it's sad, almost like the community has lost its innocence.

>>12750

I remember those Rockshots calendars. In my mind's eye I can still see one with a top-down shot of Eartha Quake in a bikini, spread-eagled in a swimming pool and surrounded by donuts. I didn't buy it, but that image burned itself permanently into my brain.

Bump. Don't have much new to say in this thread at the moment but it's a great discussion so I want to keep it on the first few pages in case the conversation picks up again.

>>12747
It wasn't as filled with as many "gimmicks" either as it is today, I miss the days when models would try to be sexy and not just sit in front of a camera and read off of a cue card, too much roleplaying and not enough actual porn.

>>14343
>I miss the days when models would try to be sexy and not just sit in front of a camera and read off of a cue card, too much roleplaying and not enough actual porn.
That's pretty true across the board. I don't begrudge people their fetishes but it's honestly tiresome having my cock go on the flop every time when a woman says "Come here and play with your mom's tits" or "Suck my juicy fat seven foot long dick". To each their own but it'd be nice if prosthetic knobs and incest weren't so fucking prevalent, y'know?

I’ve been into fat women and these spaces for 15 years now more or less. I was in 8th grade when I realized I was into this stuff so while I was late for the peak of dimensions, I was around for the early days of fatcelebs and (unfortunately) animeexpansion.

My thoughts on the community echo a lot of what has already been said in the thread. But I’ll chime in.

There have never been as many beautiful women in this fetish as there are currently.

The quality of the content being produced might be the worst it has ever been, however. There was a time when I would actively seek out whatever I could get hands on, and save everything I could. But these days unless I find a particular model exceptionally attractive, I don’t even bother. I could just be getting older, but I’m over models trying to sell me videos of them eating or half-assed roleplaying in their bedroom. I want numbers, and actual nudity (thanks curvage.) And with paysites dying out this stuff is becoming increasingly less common.

The business aspect of the kink is more prevalent as well. It feels like there is a greater proportion of models looking to get into this kink strictly for the money, as opposed to actually enjoying being part of it. I realize the majority, if not, vast majority, of the models in the kink have always been in it for the money, but I think models used to be better at hiding it and playing into the fantasy aspect. Not that I’m shaming anyone for doing so, money is important.

I think the biggest bummer is the decline of amateur work. Following a specific women sharing pics on her own thread on a forum or even on bbw-Chan was kinda fun and helped foster that smaller community feel this kink used to have.

>>12833
>Does anyone still have any of those old Dimensions Wide Angle/Bountiful Productions VHS or DVDs or files, or are those completely lost to time?

https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/17763/bountiful-bbw-17763

I think it’s way better to be honest. Like 20 years ago bbw porn was pretty much treated like freakshow porn, it was depressing.

>>12595
This dude gets it. People are not in the body positivity movement because they care, but because they wanna get those rich "good boy" points and boost their ego.

"Look at me, being so nice to fat people, can't you see how nice I am?". Nobody really cares unless they gain something from it, people rarely do things "for free" or out of genuine care.

Also, it's funny how the movement is called "body positivity" but it only catters to female landwhales, instead of every type of person with any kind of body type or deformity.

>>14371
It's still a freak show just not in the traditional sense, the biggest change is that that models have come to terms with that aspect of the porn itself, just look at anything that's produced by Ivy and her friends, it borderlines on self parody most of time and wouldn't be out of place in a early 2000's sex comedy.

I don't have much to add, only I've recently discovered a very old BBW model called 'Bridget' --active in the early '70s ('72-'74 it seems) in various mock instructional manuals. Really cant find much on her but I think this is the earliest FA stuff I've ever encountered. I wonder if we could dig up stuff from the 60s or earlier?

>>12632
>For whatever reason, the mod staff's tastes tended towards long character-driven serial stories without explicit sex, resulting in a million pointless and boring (to my tastes) 150-episode serials about roommates slowly gaining weight together.

Haha weird. It's like they set the general tone for the genre, cause when I think 'generic fat story' that's what I picture-- as well as endless college stuff

>>14593
Back in the 90s and all, fat people were a joke. Being fat was rarer and it started at 135lbs. You didn’t see them depicted in any positive, healthy or sexy way. That def influenced this shit in terms of the humiliation, bdsm and deathfeedism. Chubby chasing was a fetish, not a presence for thiccness.
Now half the models are body positive and aren’t about the disrespect being a freak show despite unintentionally weighing 300+ pounds.

>>14970
Weight Gain in the states is often synonymous with gluttony. In old cartoons, the characters were often unwilling participants in the expansion like the Looney Tunes, or MGM shorts. Now you have characters like Pete Griffin, Homer Simpson, or Carl from ATHF who embody excessive gluttony and are willing participants without learning a lesson. It's like how blueberry fetishes make Violent from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory out to be a fetishes icon when she was just unfairly punished for being impulsive

>>14975
I meant to say Violet.

>>14970

Are you using a VPN, or are you actually from Kenya? I'm genuinely curious what this online kink world of ours looks like to someone who isn't US/EUR or a Hispanibro.

Sorry in advance for any /pol/ bullshit this question attracts.

>>15369
>Are you using a VPN, or are you actually from Kenya? I'm genuinely curious what this online kink world of ours looks like to someone who isn't US/EUR or a Hispanibro

Yeah I'm from Kenya, and this fetish has it's ups and downs

One thing is, there's no subcultural space where a fetish like this one might 'fit in'. Kenyans aren't so interested in art, since lots of people struggle just to get by, so they consume only surface level pop culture and use only surface level internet( things like Twitter and Instagram).The more 'specialized' sites like Reddit or Discord have very low numbers of Kenyans. Many have never even heard of them.People have no idea what imageboards are. My taste in music is esoteric because I listen to rock music and rap before 2005, so you just have to wonder what it's like for a fetish that's fairly obscure even in the West.

There are no local fetish models or artists, or even any discussion of it at all. I have encountered only one other Kenyan person with this fetish; the artist belt-pop, and he lives in America I think.So basically it's pretty isolating; the framework for a community to even form around this fetish locally just does not exist. It feels like I'm the only person in this country with this fetish.

There are certain privileges I think I enjoy compared to Westerners/Latinos though.
For one thing many people over here have less than a pre-school understanding of diet and exercise. People don't know what a calorie really is or how BMI works (or that it's apparently outdated now). I only know because of this fetish.

As a result I've heard girls discussing deliciously awful diet advice that I know will only make them fatter. One girl I knew in high school said that when she finished she would focus on "getting an ass" by just eating loads of junk food everyday till she put on weight, then starting squats. I only wonder how that will turn out, because earlier than that she said you'd never catch her exercising cause she has "great genetics". I might never tell any girl I like about my fetish, but I think it's actually more likely than in other places that she'll just fatten up anyway.The few girls I've been with were exactly my type. I've never had any major neurosis that's led me to want to date thin girls over fat girls,like seems to be common around here. I'm only really embarrassed about the freakier aspects of this kink like stuffing and purposeful weight gain

We have a totally inverted view of food compared to Westerners. Healthy Food is cheap and Fast Food is expensive, so getting to eat a lot of Fast Food is a status symbol.There's a joke about how if a politician or a rich guy generally doesn't have at least a bit of a potbelly, he must be secretly suffering.When some one is prosperous and stress-free they joke about how they're "fattening up"

As you can tell there's generally never been much stigma against being fat, I think because there's never been any media machine villifying fatties to sell us weight products.It's not a utopia;my parents often snicker at this one news lady who got fat, but even in popular music videos you can see some pretty fat chicks playing the part of "music video eye candy", and I don't even watch that many music videos (the music sucks lmao).Here's an example:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ5yMT0Dihw


Due to this, "body positivity" is not much of a thing--around here, fat girls pledge only the vaguest sort of allegiance to that cause--so I've never run into the sort of crazy bitches that seem to be in abundance elsewhere.Actually, I think that's a general advantage I have to those living in the West; people really are not plugged in to the sort of weirdo shit that seems to be happening over there regarding social issues. We kind of think you're serious pussies nowadays...

>>15379
The fattest Kenyan woman I know of is Rukia Abdul. I think all her photos are offline now but luckily i'm paranoid about archive these kind of things in case they get deleted.

https://mab.to/U5KtxQId2

>>15381
>https://mab.to/U5KtxQId2
Shit, this is great. Where'd you get this?

>>15382
>>15381
i used to follow her on instagram. https://www.instagram.com/kiacake/?hl=en

>>15379

Thanks for this interesting and high-quality post, Kenyabro. Like I said, cool to see a non-Westerner on this board. How'd you figure out you were into this stuff, just from the Internet?

>My taste in music is esoteric because I listen to rock music and rap before 2005, so you just have to wonder what it's like for a fetish that's fairly obscure even in the West.

Now I just want to shoot the shit with you about music, lol. Is there a subculture of modern Kenyan fans/bands influenced by this stuff? I'm an American in my 40s who was heavy into the 90s underground rock scene and golden age East Coast hip-hop, so I like the idea that it's an obscure underground influence now.

>>16093
I'm the Kenyan. Flag switched to Mauritius for some reason (raycis!!!)

>How'd you figure out you were into this stuff, just from the Internet?

Yeah I'm pretty young, so raised by the internet, though less so than westerners. We didn't get steady home internet till 2013 and I got my first computer(this clunky old thing in sat in the living room) in 2016 and my first phone in 2018 so internet usage was sporadic but fine enough.

Now I remember in like 2011 or so when I was a little kid I found some non descript video of two girls pigging out. on youtube.I was too young for any sort of erotic feeling but it fascinated me.

I would then click on any sort of video which seemed to fall in that bubble, which led me weird places--I seem to remember watching several videos where people would play the Sims and make the characters eat their babies.

I got tired of trying my luck like this and started trying to find this stuff by searching on google. I didn't know any terms for this sort of thing so I just got lots of miscellaneous of stock photos. At some point I remembered a term I'd seen in the title of one of those videos I really liked, so I kludged together the illiterate search term "fat girls stuffing"

Now I got a whole load of really exciting stuff displaying countless pretty fat women, but still I was too young for any real erotic sense, I looked at all this stuff as a curiosity, and I got the vague sense that it was sort of illicit by how undressed all these ladies were and how none of them showed their faces

I used that same search term "fat girls stuffing" very rigidly for several years. i don't know why it was those specific words but that was the only thing i thought worked.

Now my parents bought me my first desktop. it was sat in the living room which meant not much privacy, unless I snuck downstairs after dark to use it, which I did frequently

I was getting older now, this whole thing wasnt just some curiosity anymore, but I didn't really know what to do about it. I started stumbling upon people who talked about it and now the fact that this stuff i liked was taboo moved from a vague sense to a real certainty. I started getting kind of a Catholic Guilt Trip and wondered if I should quit looking at this stuff.

One time I snuck downstairs as usual to get to my bad old business. I got tired of the "fat girls stuffing" search term all the time so I tried close variations like "girls stuffing" and stuffed girl". I tried "stuffer girl" or something like that, and under the images was this asian girl who had the most perfect belly I'd yet seen. So round she looked pregnant, but clearly wasnt
So I found out her name was "Aileen" and from then on I only searched her.

Eventually I found this video,whose title I still remember "Aileen stuffing in snap" where she eats a load of god knows what until she pops the buttons on her button up shirt.That's the first time i ever remember beating off, and from then on I became just another degenerate coomer.

>>16093
>Now I just want to shoot the shit with you about music, lol. Is there a subculture of modern Kenyan fans/bands influenced by this stuff?

I'm way more on rock.I've done some looking into local bands but there are very few I would consider even half good
My favourites so far are RISH:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mihYWd2ejv4
And Simply Tomas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inDXIzC4NX0
You can see if you like them.

I don't know so much about the hip hop scene. I don't check It out so much, since even the smaller acts seem pretty shitty.

I like to entertain the hope that maybe the music scene is something like 'Murica in the '50s- stagnant but with a creative explosion imminent. We're basically still in a 'foundational' stage- everything is still really basic and obviously copying foreign cultures